How is the summoner dps?

[PrismaticDaybreak]

The amount of arguments I had the first 2 weeks of release about RDMs damage was absurd.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Red Mage was strong, but not because of its toolkit. It was strong because of a mana glitch, that once that was patched out put it below the others.

Worth mentioning that the glitch wasn't particularly common knowledge, but people still just looked at the top 10 or so parses and decided RDM was OP. Oh the brilliance of ignorance.

[Dualgunner]

I was there for a lot of them. I guess balance achieved?

[dinnertime]

If Embolden worked for all damage types; then a BLM/SMN/RDM/X comp would be favorable in more circumstances because SMN and RDM could ramp up BLM's damage, etc.

I really wish it did. It's so lame that RDM works better with melees instead of fellow casters.

Also not sure about RDM but I guess it needs some looking up if it actually need buffs, and that's for the RDM mains to decide.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

I really wish it did. It's so lame that RDM works better with melees instead of fellow casters.

Also not sure about RDM but I guess it needs some looking up if it actually need buffs, and that's for the RDM mains to decide.

Personally I'd like more damage put into the melee combo, you barely get 400 more potency in about the same span as 2 dualcasts.

[Shiroe]

do not nerf smn, just buff blm .... and fix the ffing "lose Enochian when casting fire 1 under ice- astral"

[Shiroe]

than maybe there will be one day "3 caster meta" parallel to the usual meta

[Dualgunner]

than maybe there will be one day "3 caster meta" parallel to the usual meta

At the moment summoner is even beating Samurai in some fights, not even including rDPS. There isn't a single fight where BLM beats SMN for personal DPS, and unless BLM is buffed to godhood there isn't a reason to take a BLM over a SMN unless there are some potency nerfs to the latter as well.

Three caster meta will also remain a dream as long as RDM's embolden only affects physical and it remains bottom rung to stay a rez dispenser.

[Karshan]

When you think about it, RDM is now behind bard.
To compensate the lesser DPS, we talk about utility, but what of it ? RDM has two major : Verraise and Embolden.

Now that progress is over, Verraise is done. Embolden alone is not a resaon to be 600 DPS behind SMN or BLM. So I'm actually with you on the need to buff RDM now.
MNK, BLM and DRK should be adressed as well.

SMN is getting a power creep and I don't think it's ok

[Remedi]

When you think about it, RDM is now behind bard.
To compensate the lesser DPS, we talk about utility, but what of it ? RDM has two major : Verraise and Embolden.

Now that progress is over, Verraise is done. Embolden alone is not a resaon to be 600 DPS behind SMN or BLM. So I'm actually with you on the need to buff RDM now.
MNK, BLM and DRK should be adressed as well.

SMN is getting a power creep and I don't think it's ok

Tecnically speaking prog now is open again but ppl are preferring SMN over RDM as I expected since well in tight tuned or unforgiving fights verraise isn't that useful, so ye I agree with you