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    [4.1 Spoilers] The Two Personalities

    SPOILER WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Below is spoiler zone!

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    So with the reveal that Yotsuyu now lost her memory and a new personality has been "born" as Tsuyu how do you think this story may develop later.

    It is a interesting take on Yotsuyu's "death" and "rebirth" through memory loss but the way I see it this may lead to a conflict between the two Personalities with one becoming the dominant personality (my guess it will be Tsuyu who remains and Yotsuyu's personality fades away) if she ever gains back fragments or her entire memories and how people will be judging Tsuyu through her past life as Yotsuyu and current life as Tsuyu.
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    I heard there's foreshadowing of what might take place in future updates to the story. Who would know if Yotsuyu might remember everything and that persona driven her to impulse-- Being a spy again... I'm not saying she might return to evil roots, mayhap she done it on panic before realizing she and Doma is free...
    That's my opinion
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    I'll admit that I'm a bit disappointed with this turn. It's a fairly cliché moral dilemma: If someone becomes a new person, are they still culpable for the crimes they committed before the change? The problem is that most of the vehicles used for this transition are rather far-fetched and fanciful - amnesia being a prime example. So, Yotsuyu is a new person, and the psychopath she was is apparently gone. Some folks are still gonna want to see her pay for her crimes, whether motivated by vengeance or justice, and others are gonna say that she already HAS paid, since Yotsuyu as we knew her is dead, and any further punishment would be inflicted upon an innocent (aka, new, childlike Yotsuyu).

    It's tough for me to get emotionally invested in these kinds of moral questions, since the likelihood of it ever happening for real are so slim. It's like getting worked up over the possibility that your kid could be struck dead by a meteor while playing outside - a horrible tragedy if it happened, but so preposterously unlikely that few rational individuals will lose any sleep over the possibility.

    Maybe I'm jumping the gun. Perhaps the focus WON'T be on whether she should be punished for her crimes or not. Hopefully, SE has something interesting planned, but for now my expectations are pretty low.
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    There's no indication that the amnesia is permanent, so there's no reason to treat it as a split personality (yet)
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    Personally I'm in the hoping that she hasn't lost her memory and is simply using her skills as a spy to play Gosetsu so she has a chance to continue her revenge against Doma camp. The route of amnesiac villain+plus tragic backstory=redemption is something I've seen several times before and it is very difficult in to do well. Same with the something happens/happened to the villain and causes them to have a split personality. Considering the typical amount of MSQs that SE does in a patch, I don't really know if they have enough between 4.2-4.4ish to make it anything other than cliche, while at the same time trying to wrap up everything else.
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    I honestly dont like this change to her..I already felt quite bad when I saw that she survived because I got the bad feeling that they would try to even redeem a person like her..seeing her amnesia this seems even more likely now and I dont feel good about this.

    I just think about how I would feel if a mass murderer (maybe killed someone you know and love) gets out of prison because they bumped their head against the wall too often and lost their memories. That person ruined the life of a lot of other families and they cant even get some kind of justice because the murderer cant remember a thing and is set free. Yotsuyu is even worse than that because she tormented a whole nation and enjoyed it too. Having all the people letting go of her grudge would just feel unrealistic and like a cheap way out of this.

    I really hope that Hien and the others will stay on high alert around her and not discuss important information when she is with them, because how should they ever be sure that her memories would not just come back or her faking it? Them being carefree around her would make me lose quite the respect for them.

    About split personality: Nothing was hinted right now that she has that. And I a honestly not sure if SE would be able to show this in a great way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    I just think about how I would feel if a mass murderer (maybe killed someone you know and love) gets out of prison because they bumped their head against the wall too often and lost their memories.
    Well... One way to look at it (and the way SE will likely go with if they DO decide to use this as a method of "redemption") is that the mass murderer has DIED. Their body is still up and moving around, but someone completely new is inside of it.

    It's not really redemption at all. Yotsuyu died and a new person named Tsuyu was born within her body. Yes, people might be resentful - but it's the same kind of resentment they would have felt if Yotsuyu had died before they had a chance to punish her to their satisfaction. The big difference is that now there's this Yotsuyu-shaped innocent person handy that they can take out their frustrations on.

    That's the way that these amnesia-induced-innocence stories generally play out. The stories often try to play it all up as a big moral grey area, but honestly, there's no grey at all. If Yotsuyu's memories are truly gone, then punishing the new person she has become for the crimes of a person who no longer exists is evil, plain and simple. Such punishment would only be pursued by individuals who either don't believe the change has happened, or are refusing to believe it because they want to satisfy their thirst for vengeance and don't much care who they have to hurt to get that satisfaction. It's become revenge by proxy - taking out revenge on an innocent third party, because the individual you'd like to take revenge on is out of reach.
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    If Yotsuyu is to be redeemed my personal hope is that she ends up in Eorzea rather than Doma. I just can't see her remaining in Doma even if she has this new identity due to amnesia. I suppose she could end up a Scion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexander View Post
    If Yotsuyu is to be redeemed my personal hope is that she ends up in Eorzea rather than Doma. I just can't see her remaining in Doma even if she has this new identity due to amnesia. I suppose she could end up a Scion.
    And then she could be the next one to betray us to the empire(or ascians or whoever) when it turns out she was faking it all along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frizze View Post
    And then she could be the next one to betray us to the empire(or ascians or whoever) when it turns out she was faking it all along.
    Or it could not be faked and she ends up a Scion and does some actual good. Her acting is way too predictable, and Gosetsu isn't that gullible. Likewise, I imagine like Sylvanas in WoW, Yotsuyu is going to end up with plot armor due to sex appeal amongst the fans.
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