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    I think when it comes to the Newcomer Network, the conversations should be held to only helping newcomers. I have nothing aganst profanities, but the Newcomer Network is a chatroom for newcomers, they go there to get answers to their questions and mentors go there to help the newcomers, atleast this was the orignal concept for the channel.

    SE has decided that the Newcomer Network has become another chat channel, so I think OP should just blacklist and move on. As much as we disgree with how the Newcomer Network is used right now, aslong as SE is oke with how it is right now, nothing will change. Just dont bother OP, blacklist and move on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    The ToS are what Zarabeth quoted and here in germany ff14 is 12+. That means you have kids in the game and you have to behave yourself acordingly.
    FFXIV should have the PEGI rating in Germany aswell and in Europe FFXIV has 16 years and older rating.

    Still this does not stop kids from playing this game, but SE has intended for this game to be 16 years and older.
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    Last edited by Laerune; 10-17-2017 at 09:17 PM.

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    I agree and disagree but the gms see novice differently

    I mean no offense here at all, Eve, as I have nothing personal against you. I have seen you kick people who were wrong but I have also seen you abuse the kick excessively, sometimes without warning, revenge kicks, and just plain not bothering to confirm the context of someone's "speech". I made a report against you 1 time for a very unfair kick, pretty much asking Gm what is right and wrong when we have different dialects of casual speech. Where people grew up, some words are not the same for others, as "b**h" can be used for " HEY BUDDY" "omg girl wut" "are you serious...lol" or how F**k can mean " WOOT" "Sorry I messed up.." "man that was so funny", ETC. I don't think people should be talking about sex in the help channel but as long as it isn't turning into sexual harassment, cybering or someone talking about their pedophile adventures with real children, I think you should save yourself the stress and blacklist. Apparently to Gm it's majority rule. I will post the reply next post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aoreka View Post
    I will post the reply next post.
    Here is what the GM said about Novice Network.



    "Dear Aoreka,

    Thank you for contacting the FINAL FANTASY XIV support desk.

    We are sorry to hear that there are differences of opinion on what is deemed to be acceptable in the Novice Network.

    Due to the nature of the Novice Network, what is deemed to be acceptable is widely different from World to World. We encourage players to cultivate their World's Novice Network culture and remove Mentors or New Adventurers based on that standard.

    As such, if the majority of the Users deems Eve Knight's standards to be undesirable or disruptive, we suggest to temporarily remove them. If the player in question removes another player for a reason that is generally not deemed to be sufficient, it is acceptable to remove them as well.

    Thank you for your understanding and we apologize for any inconvenience caused."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aoreka View Post
    As such, if the majority of the Users deems Eve Knight's standards to be undesirable or disruptive
    Context: A new player said "F**k yeah I got the minion", to which you threatened them about language when the context was clearly harmless. You did NOT kick this player. You kicked a player who made a joke about it. Then kick another player who protested that kick who did not use any language. You were kicked, came back and kicked 2 others without warning.

    In general I appreciate you looking out for the babies and I'm also sorry that someone ended up trolling you or just being gross in chat. Gms clearly have their views on our NN, I encourage you to BL. I have, and always will report anyone I see harassing you or anyone else or legitimately breaking TOS.
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    Last edited by Aoreka; 10-17-2017 at 10:28 PM. Reason: I am not awake..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aoreka View Post
    "Dear Aoreka,

    Thank you for contacting the FINAL FANTASY XIV support desk.

    We are sorry to hear that there are differences of opinion on what is deemed to be acceptable in the Novice Network.

    Due to the nature of the Novice Network, what is deemed to be acceptable is widely different from World to World. We encourage players to cultivate their World's Novice Network culture and remove Mentors or New Adventurers based on that standard.

    As such, if the majority of the Users deems Eve Knight's standards to be undesirable or disruptive, we suggest to temporarily remove them. If the player in question removes another player for a reason that is generally not deemed to be sufficient, it is acceptable to remove them as well.

    Thank you for your understanding and we apologize for any inconvenience caused."
    If it's not asking too much, could you post a screenshot of this reply? If this is true this is a troubling stance they are taking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    If it's not asking too much, could you post a screenshot of this reply? If this is true this is a troubling stance they are taking.
    Sure thing.

    Part 1: https://puu.sh/y0fjY/e9ef498d0b.png
    Part 2: https://puu.sh/y0fkW/626b5ce403.png

    I also have the entire chat log that led to the report if you want, but it will take quite a few screens. I'd rather not though as I don't want Eve to be harassed. If you want it, it will have to be in PM.
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    Last edited by Aoreka; 10-18-2017 at 02:08 AM. Reason: I'm awake now...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aoreka View Post
    Sure thing.

    Part 1: https://puu.sh/y0fjY/e9ef498d0b.png
    Part 2: https://puu.sh/y0fkW/626b5ce403.png

    I also have the entire chat log that led to the report if you want, but it will take quite a few screens. I'd rather not though as I don't want Eve to be harassed. If you want it, it will have to be in PM.
    This isn't a witch hunt. Keep your 'evidence' to yourself.
    Even if his attitude has not been the best, the answer the GM gave him is still shocking to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki View Post
    This isn't a witch hunt. Keep your 'evidence' to yourself.
    Even if his attitude has not been the best, the answer the GM gave him is still shocking to me.
    Did you get hurt when you threw yourself into my conversation? lol. No one said it was a witch hunt. The person asked me for screenshots to confirm what I said about the Gm's stance on NN which is very relevant to the topic. I left out the "evidence" so there is no harassment as I know this person is very disliked by a lot of people on OUR server, however if the person was curious as to more context of the issue I was willing to post it to them privately. Do explain how I'm witch hunting. :3 Edit: I do mean that in a joking playful way, as I already stated my stance is neutral on, Eve and everyone else.
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    Last edited by Aoreka; 10-18-2017 at 01:57 PM. Reason: You're not yourself when you're hungry..grab a snickers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aoreka View Post
    Sure thing.

    Part 1: https://puu.sh/y0fjY/e9ef498d0b.png
    Part 2: https://puu.sh/y0fkW/626b5ce403.png

    I also have the entire chat log that led to the report if you want, but it will take quite a few screens. I'd rather not though as I don't want Eve to be harassed. If you want it, it will have to be in PM.
    That's... I don't even know what to say, they are basically legitimizing kick wars and "do whatever you want".
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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    That's... I don't even know what to say, they are basically legitimizing kick wars and "do whatever you want".
    Thats not new at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Good talk, all. Glad we had it.
    暗闇の力#7805

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