Can the devs please double the poetics cap

[Silver-Strider]

I can take it or leave it honestly.
I've been capped for awhile now with nothing to buy so I'm not really vested in a cap increase but it doesn't affect me so what's the harm?

[Vexander]

It'd be nice to move up to 4,000 Tomestones for a cap on Poetics. Its out of date gear which it purchases anyways. It'd be nice to completely gear a class I decide to level rather than halfway gearing it and then doing stuff and the gear is suddenly outdated and I may as well not get it.

[ElHeggunte]

I honestly don't see the point of raising the cap. If you're capping just because you aren't spending the tomes, doubling the cap isn't going to change anything. You're just going to cap again in short order anyway.

I also don't even see how it could be considered a time-saving measure. It takes so little time to go purchase items whenever you cap that the amount of time you might save from a doubled cap is equal to exactly dick (in fact, since now you're spending twice as long farming, I'm fairly certain you're breaking even with a doubled cap).

It'd be nice to move up to 4,000 Tomestones for a cap on Poetics. Its out of date gear which it purchases anyways. It'd be nice to completely gear a class I decide to level rather than halfway gearing it and then doing stuff and the gear is suddenly outdated and I may as well not get it.

You just pointed out exactly why there's little use in increasing the cap: the gear gets outdated so quickly that the higher cap isn't going to help you much. It'll actually likely take you longer to farm enough tomes for an entire set of left and right-side equipment than it would to just level up to the next best set of gear. And that segues into three more points:

- The 2,000 tome cap only leaves you 455 tomes short of having an entire set (you're basically only missing three accessories). Doubling the cap for such a tiny discrepancy that can be made up for in short order is silly.

- Accessories can be worn by anyone and with the exception of NIN and DRG, all armor is worn by multiple classes. That means the benefits of the cap drop off exponentially after your first class and continues to nosedive with each new piece you buy.

- You're still earning tomes while you're leveling your current class to 70. Combined with the two above points, that means you should be able to more or less gear out every single class with full poetics gear by the time you get your current class from 50 to 70. The only way that wouldn't happen is if you throw out gear when you still have classes that could have used it (such as vendoring your Fending gear after your WAR is too high to use it when you know full well you want to level DRK too).

So in summation, a 4,000 poetics cap wouldn't help anything. At all.

[Vexander]

So in summation, a 4,000 poetics cap wouldn't help anything. At all.

You kind of completely ignored Upgrading the stuff purchased with them and the costs that entails.

[ElHeggunte]

You kind of completely ignored Upgrading the stuff purchased with them and the costs that entails.

I ignored it because it further demonstrates how it's not worth the effort for something that gets replace shortly after obtaining it anyway. But sure, let's factor that in too: it's only ~1000 extra tomes per set to upgrade everything. The only time the larger cap may help you is if you're attempting to buy everything all at once for your first class. And even then, after that it goes right into my third point above where your current class should easily earn enough tomes on the road to 70 to buy all of the next's class's gear (and now upgrade items), not even considering how most of the equipment is still shared in some way so the more classes you level, the fewer tomes you need for the next one in line. We could factor in weapons too, but that further cedes the point that you're largely wasting your time farming all of those tomes when you're just going to toss them out shortly anyway.


So the 4k cap still doesn't really help anything. If you were going to sit there farm out 4k tomes before starting your first class anyway, what's stopping you from farming 2k twice? There's no real reason you would need to buy everything at once instead of as you went besides some arbitrary illusion of time being saved.

[Rufalus]

I can take it or leave it honestly.
I've been capped for awhile now with nothing to buy so I'm not really vested in a cap increase but it doesn't affect me so what's the harm?

I think it's worth the effort not letting any currencies sit on cap. Buy poe gear, exchange for company seals and spend those. Seal shop now include glamor prisms and new emotes. Also a resurrection tonic that is like a stackable Phoenix Down - may be handy for PotD and the next deep dungeon they release. As for verity tomes there's a new 1600 tome orchestrion roll.

[Vexander]

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Call me crazy, but I'm one of those players who generally likes being near the cap and spending a bit at a time when needed, so if I get the sudden urge to level a Job, I can just grab everything I need in one go. With the upgrades, the Poetics sets can last you through over half of the trek from 60 to 70. I wasn't getting legitimate upgrades until about level 66 or so. Even then, they were serviceable all the way to max level, so if RNG dealt you few upgrades and repeats, it wasn't a major handicap or anything.

[ElHeggunte]

Call me crazy, but I'm one of those players who generally likes being near the cap and spending a bit at a time when needed, so if I get the sudden urge to level a Job, I can just grab everything I need in one go. With the upgrades, the Poetics sets can last you through over half of the trek from 60 to 70. I wasn't getting legitimate upgrades until about level 66 or so. Even then, they were serviceable all the way to max level, so if RNG dealt you few upgrades and repeats, it wasn't a major handicap or anything.

You mean levels 50 to 60 and upgrades starting at 56? Which I'll give you, because 55-56 is when I first replaced my Ironworks gear in HW. But Augmented Ironworks gear is only i130 so I will call you crazy if you really did mean "60 to 70" and "upgrades starting at 66".

Edit: I was very much mistaken on this particular point, so ignore me.

[Krotoan]

You mean levels 50 to 60 and upgrades starting at 56? Which I'll give you, because 55-56 is when I first replaced my Ironworks gear in HW. But Augmented Ironworks gear is only i130 so I will call you crazy if you really did mean "60 to 70" and "upgrades starting at 66".

Poetics now buys you 270 ilevel gear at 60. This is serviceable all the way to 70, especially if you're just upping an alt job.

[ElHeggunte]

Poetics now buys you 270 ilevel gear at 60. This is serviceable all the way to 70, especially if you're just upping an alt job.

Ooooh okay, that explains a lot. I was wondering if I was missing something. I had no idea they busted down Shire gear to Poetics, I assumed they got the Centurio treatment like the old Law and Esoteric gear.

So fair enough, I'll concede that point. I was wrong. I still firmly stand by my statement that a 4,000 cap has exceedingly minimal benefit though.