Scholar since 4.1 patch

**Miles_Maelstrom** · 10-19-2017 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ghishlain

^ This. Also, I think the only time Galvanize would overwrite Galvenize is when it exceeds the remaining HP on the existing shield. I do believe any Nocturnal Field would overwrite any other Nocturnal Field regardless of the HP on the shield.

Yes, the way Galvanize works makes sense why overwrite a superior shield. If Nocturnal Field actually does that, over writing regardless, that is a huge disservice to ast. More ast should be up and arms about that. And if their functioned properly maybe it would be easier for SE to fix the cross class situation better.

**Riyshn** · 10-19-2017 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by Ghishlain

^ This. Also, I think the only time Galvanize would overwrite Galvenize is when it exceeds the remaining HP on the existing shield. I do believe any Nocturnal Field would overwrite any other Nocturnal Field regardless of the HP on the shield.

Actually, unless it's changed since HW, Galvanize only checks the existing shield's original value. So a 1000 value shield that has absorbed 900 damage (100 shield remaining) would still be counted as 1000, and would block a new 800 value shield from applying. I always assumed that Nocturnal Field worked the same, though I never did test it.

**Alisi** · 10-18-2017 04:39 AM

I don't know. I feel weak and my physick feels like it takes a long time to cast. I've no problems in dungeons or normal raids but have been having trouble in Shinryu Ex with the ank morn or however you spell that. The second and third ones are brutal. I'm hoping it's just my ilvl though (325). I know it's not all me (just got out of a group where one of the tanks got one shot by earthen fury -- his first attack lol) but it feels that way sometimes.

**Ametrine** · 10-19-2017 10:43 AM

The sheild breakages from overwrites were what I assumed were implimented to avoid negating damage altogether by multi-stacking SCHs, and later, Noct ASTs. It's a design quirk that I don't find any issue with, myself.

IMHO, AST players that can't be bothered to swap to their cohealer's opposite (or worse, learn how to play both sects) are just bad.

As for SCH now, I felt the difference on my mana consumption pretty immediately and was happy to drop Largesse for Eye for an Eye. Feels good, man.

But good lord, Selene is still useless outside of that hyper-situational AoE esuna. I wish Silent Dusk could be swapped out with something more useful and reliable. Maybe her own version of Garuda's Pathogen?

**Fernosaur** · 10-19-2017 06:02 PM

Galvanize and Nocturnal Field do overwrite each other regardless of shield strength. I'm not sure if Galvanize will overwrite an old Galvanize based on the shield's current value, but afaik that was the case too.

I'm pretty sure it's because the code doesn't really recognize both buffs as the same thing in concept, and is just programmed to overwrite it as a slapstick fix. Really wish they'd change it, tho. I accidentally overwrote a Deployed Adlo the other day when pugging a SCH for v4s, since I'm so used to mitigating the first Almagest with Noct shields and deploying during the initial hit :/. Felt really guilty about it.

As for the OP's topic: I already liked SCH a lot after the changes in 4.05, but the buff to Succor's shield is definitely noticeable. As someone else said, Almagest is fire and forget coupled with fairy buffs and most of Exfaust's White Holes feel a lot easier to handle, at least the ones that need hardcasts.

**PaulH** · 10-19-2017 06:25 PM

On Sch for both succor and aldo it states "Effect cannot be stacked with Nocturnal Sect" on the tooltips...
On AST Aspected Helios and Aspected benefic state "Effect cannot be stacked with Aldoquium" on the tooltips.

So Succor/Adlo and AST in Nocturnal sect helios/benefic cannot be stacked

**Miles_Maelstrom** · 10-19-2017 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by PaulH

On Sch for both succor and aldo it states "Effect cannot be stacked with Nocturnal Sect" on the tooltips...
On AST Aspected Helios and Aspected benefic state "Effect cannot be stacked with Aldoquium" on the tooltips.

So Succor/Adlo and AST in Nocturnal sect helios/benefic cannot be stacked

I don't know what you are think we are talking about . . . but

It's like this. So if a sch casts Aldo on some one and it crits it creates a large shield. Then he cast aldo again immediately and it doesn't crit, the new weaker shield would not overwrite the stronger old shield, it will fail to apply the new field.

On the other hand if an ast casts aspected bene on the guy with the crit galvanize. It'll overwrite regardless of being a weaker shield, it ideally should work like how the sch situation from above where it fails to apply the shield unless it's stronger.

**PaulH** · 10-20-2017 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

I don't know what you are think we are talking about . . . but

It's like this. So if a sch casts Aldo on some one and it crits it creates a large shield. Then he cast aldo again immediately and it doesn't crit, the new weaker shield would not overwrite the stronger old shield, it will fail to apply the new field.

Haha hmmm I dont know why my quote didnt work and some info missing... I was referring to RyuDragnier who said about that the AST he paired with didnt know about overwriting of shield on NOCT sect. I was pointing that these type of people need to read about tool tips hence stating them lol..

But I do get the shield debate it's not complex but I was trying to get from this thread about how SCH is since 4.1 and not thought debates on shields that could be spun into another thread.

**inhaledcorn** · 10-19-2017 10:28 PM

It's better, don't get me wrong, but I feel like it still just needs a bit more to feel "good". I'd still like for Chain Strat and Excog to have interaction with Bane and Deploy respectively, even if they have to get a potency reduction on the pass. Selene is still vastly inferior to Eos. Double SCH, should it happen in random fights, feels suuuper bad (double WHM is still usable, but it's still not great either). Aetherpact/Fey's Union and Dissipation are still "meh" as capstone skills. Yeah, Dissipation got "better" thanks to changes around it, but the skill itself still does not synergize well with the SCH's playstyle and the rest of the kit (it gives more Aetherflow and a healing boost, but that healing boost doesn't affect the Aetherflow heals. The extra Aetherflow means nothing if the Aetherflow heals are on cooldown. Aetherflow used while the fairy is gone doesn't build Fairy Gauge).

It's better, but it's still highly disjointed. It had this problem in HW, too, but it was so minor, it didn't really matter. However, it's much more pronounced now, and it should be addressed, yet it's not.

**Miles_Maelstrom** · 10-19-2017 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by inhaledcorn

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It's better, but it's still highly disjointed. It had this problem in HW, too, but it was so minor, it didn't really matter. However, it's much more pronounced now, and it should be addressed, yet it's not.

Preach! I went off on some of those issues in another thread. Our ability synergy definitely took a hit from HW to SB.

A big one was how deploy felt. While still functionally the same it feels like it synergies with us less. This is because in HW it used to spread any of our scholar provided buffs (which we had 2, Galvanize and e4e). Now in SB it still spread those same buffs but e4e is no longer a scholar buff, it's a Healer role action, and we have another buff to give in excog. So now it doesn't spread our scholar buffs it spread Galvanize and e4e. It just makes this skill feel off-putting.

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