Restricting houses to one per account!!!

[Nakane]

The ToS is for one person behind the screen, not for your 8 toons, 16, 32 or whatever.

Based on the logic the players with more than one house present here - they have the right to have more than one house cause A) hard work to get it, B) i pay for 8 chars (or more) so right to have

We can either ask SE to go with, i pay for 8 chars and i have the right to 8 large houses, and all mentioned 10m accounts have those rights so gives 80m houses (10m players paying for 8 chars). That won't happen.

1) one house per real person
2) all sizes; small, medium, large have access to 3 garden beds
3) personal and fc houses have access to workshop
4) housing is bound to account, all 8 chars access as owner - aslong sub runs, house is save; QoL if longer than 30 days holidays and for SE cash
5) Keep adding plots till 5.0 and at 5.0 bring Ishgard housing or whatever with the amount the other zones have by then

[Nakane]

reasons for the 5 points:

1) if it's not per person but per account we will still have people with several houses
2) gil is main reason for many to get houses - its easier to accept not getting a large if you have the same advantages when it comes to gil making
3) the gil again.... aslong theres options that give benefits we all want them and have rights to have them
4) kinda self explanatory, win-win situation for players and SE
5) self explanatory

Main argument to have housing per person is Gil and the advantages it gives in terms of GIL, GIL and GIL. So having more than one house is in the grey zone of the ToS as you are enriching yourself by abusing the whole community.

[Siniztor]

The ToS is for one person behind the screen, not for your 8 toons, 16, 32 or whatever.

the TOS on buying land for the past 3 years is <--- IS (still in effect)

:"- Purchasing Land
In order to purchase land, a character must first have attained level 50 in at least one class and also have earned the rank of second lieutenant in one of the Grand Companies. Each character meeting these requirements can purchase a single unowned plot via the placards found within the residential districts.
Plots of any size and within any ward may be purchased." (Square Enix, 2014)
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...330.1456104538

The TOS on buying land is character based not account based ..from SE own patch notes... Those are Se rules on buying land plain and simple.

If it was account based id only need to level 1 charcater to 50 and get gc ran and i could buy all 8 houses for all my characters right???? wrong i had to level my 3 charchters to 50 then grind the grand company ranks on all 3 ....why you ask?? cause the right to buy land as SE stated IS character based

Do you see the red????? for 3 years in the patch notes SE has stated you can buy houses on multi characters.

Its not a loophole or breaking the rules or exploting they stright up tell you each character can buy a house lol

So please stop trying to say we who own more then 1 home are breaking rules or exploting..The only thing multi home owners are asking is..If the rule is changed now please Grandfather us in because we followed your rules you put in print

[Searban]

So please stop trying to say we who own more then 1 home are breaking rules or exploting..The only thing multi home owners are asking is..If the rule is changed now please Grandfather us in because we followed your rules you put in print

In other words, you don't want SE to change the rules in a way that would make them retroactively effective. I recall you called that possibility regarding housing shady at some point. Fair enough, the legal principle of Nulla poena sine praevia lege poenali (as everyone knows everything sounds better and smarter in Latin) on which both prohibition of ex post facto law and grandfather clauses are founded is well known and widely accepted.

What you, and everyone else asking to be grandfathered, have been conveniently ignoring all this time however is that this principle exists for and is applied to real life legal systems. It doesn't have to apply to artificial environment such as internal rules and regulations of an online video game. That's what you accept by agreeing to EULA, ToS and every other document sent your way when you register an account. It's nothing new either, it was one of the issues that sparked the whole why players don't read the documents they sign and why the should debate.

To sum it up, in the end it doesn't have to matter to SE that you acted within the rules they set in place if they determine that those actions are (along with the rules of course) one of the reasons why large parts of the housing system are a shitshow they are right now.

Personally, I don't like the idea of grandfather clause in this particular case. Partially because I'm tired of seeing the same trinity of arguments wherever and whenever this subject comes up: we broke no rules followed by we deserve this because...finally reaching an angry (and stupid) retort that other people just didn't earn their houses. No one seem to be able to come up with anything better or at least new anymore, and people have been going at it for just 2 weeks. But mainly for another reason. The more often I see people asking for the grandfather clause the more it looks like saying: We know that the housing system is a mess right now. We accept that multiple plots ownership is one of the reasons for it and that our own actions contributed to that mess. We are aware that we ourselves are the reason why rules are being changed. But we don't want to deal with consequences of the mess we helped create.

But that's a matter of principles. In practical terms, the problem is a blanket grandfather clause would apply to players that own 2 or 3 plots, but also to those legendary players that own half of a ward each. Grandfathering them all would mean that just because of that group of players a number of wards more needs to be added to at least reduce housing shortages (Because that's what they're going to do. A major overhaul of the entire system seems unlikely in general, and almost impossible before 5.0). I hate the server limitations excuse as much as the next person, but the fact is that even if they improve their server hardware it's not something that can be continued indefinitely just for the sake of new wards.

[ZStar]

No one has answered my statement from earlier yet- what about those who buys two houses with legitimately earned gil from a house scalper since they could not get the houses they wanted from the server- and is not using the houses to scalp themselves.

Maybe get a refund for the second house? Get a choice to select one house to disown? But hey, it is not certain SE will even do the whole 1 house per server thing even if they do, they might just let people who had multiple houses keep them.

[Acilith]

I highly doubt SE will refund someone 300mil for a large house they bought from a scalper. Or 100mil for a medium. Or 50mil for a small.

Those are Balmung prices on that reddit btw.

[ZStar]

If you read my post

Fair point. Totally got what you mean now.

I am actually okay with people who own multiple houses to keep them so long as SE make enough housing for everyone in the near future (at least by the end of the year). Either from the ward or instance system or both. But there are some people who rage and call salt for those who ask for more housing. (Not you)

There are some people also who want to feel exclusive because they have houses, I don't blame them so I would really want SE to improve apartments in this game and make them an instance small houses with all the bells and whistles (gardening, Chocobo, Exploration). All these will be easily if they made "facilities" in the apartment which also promotes a community system which SE is passionate about

[Tussin]

most people who can pay unreal costs for a house are rich and able to get it back again. reimbursing just the game plot price is more than fair.

enix let this problem go for too long and its been out of control for a long time

for me i want a large to build a grand display and have the space inside to do what i want!

i think it would be fair for any FC/Individual to have access to the same garden counts, and for Individuals to upgrade and build a workshop if they want inside.

some people are lone wolfs and like to do everything by themself, don't force them to have a FC if they want to do workshop content.

also having apartments able to upgrade a workshop entry and garden entry would help alleviate the demand for houses.

[Tussin]

people that want just the content could get into it with their apartment alone, people that want to stay relevant with content but able to decorate more space can get a house of small/medium/large.

let people have choices to decide and this will help free up demand while giving apartments more benefit and functionality

QoL changes could go a long way to the housing issue at hand

[Almagnus1]

There are some people also who want to feel exclusive because they have houses, I don't blame them so I would really want SE to improve apartments in this game and make them an instance small houses with all the bells and whistles (gardening, Chocobo, Exploration). All these will be easily if they made "facilities" in the apartment which also promotes a community system which SE is passionate about

However, if the point of a change that restricts the number of houses you can own is to put more houses back onto the market, isn't grandfathering in multiple house owners defeating the intent of the change?