Locked out of future MSQ progression?

[Kewitt]

Think about it this way - how many times do you clear new group content on the first attempt? Without watching a guide? It's not unthinkable, but it's also not uncommon that you wipe a couple of times, right? There's a learning curve for all content. I think the problem stems from this assumption that if it's solo-content, you have to beat it on the first try with your hand behind your back or something.

Story mode content. Almost never.

As for solo content, Almost never unless I'm doing a job quest and never upgraded my gear for many levels. IE doing level 50 quest in ilevel 34 gear on PLD, it took a few tried but I got it I was just being lazy and didn't want to get gear for the job. Then I realized oo right, I had warrior at max ilevel and just changed my gear.
Also on solo content my hubby failed 1st time out about 1/2 the time.


WE DO QUEST TOGETHER AND HATE DISBANDING PARTY FOR STUFF LIKE THIS.

[Aster_E]

When playing a level in any video game, remember to ask yourself two questions at any point:

1) Will there be effort and progression involved?

2) Are you enjoying the game?

If the answer is no to either of these, you'll probably find that a lot of people here won't care to play for long. That's been the way of video games since before even I was born (I'm in my 30s). We all have a choice in how we spend our time. Complaining about a single game level being too hard that everyone else on a forum has to get through, and probably aren't having as much difficulty with, is too your choice, though we don't have to agree with it.

[BillyKaplan]

I do wish you would make up your mind though. You say that people who can't clear content should leave but talk about a learning curve. It takes more than a run to be a learning curve.

I have no idea whose posts you're reading. I never told anyone to leave over inability to clear content. You're the one who doesn't want to play the game, basically. Yes, things absolutely do take a learning curve and you might have to run it more than once, even solo story content. And you get better with every run. Like both you and OP did and you eventually cleared the trial in question. This isn't "clear on the first trial or bust" like you would have it be. That's the stuff of visual novels. You're playing an MMORPG.

You either tolerate slower folks or better yet mentor those who are learning or provide them a means to accomplish that without impacting you.

You're not limited by how many times you can make that attempt. Take all the time you need.

Keep in mind that these people are the majority that make up the revenue to keep FF XIV going.

And that majority also cleared the trial, I don't see the problem here. You're making this sound like some sort of epidemic when it really isn't.

[RiyahArp]

SE needs to be a little careful with their minigames. The bubble game is missile command, with you as the cursor and a second one to help you out, since you are slower than a trackball. That's okay, but I think the OP's difficulty is that they aren't really into a solo action-style arcade minigame, and didn't expect to find it in an MMO.

This is also an issue wiith their attempts to make the main story fights or casual content with more mechanics and less reaction time. People do play these games because they aren't twitch games at the casual level. SE needs to watch out that they don't inadvertently make the game into an action RPG with bad controls and lag.

[Nezerius]

Keep in mind that these people are the majority that make up the revenue to keep FF XIV going. If they leave take a guess of how long it would be before the game is F2P. This isn't unique to FF XIV. Just ask Blizzard who pays the bills for mythic level WoW content. It isn't the folks that play the high level content.

The numbers from a recent unofficial census from the JP servers actually shows that the majority of the total playerbase actually finished the Stormblood story. While I should note that these numbers should be taken with a pinch of salt, it shows that out of the total of 831,334 characters, 675,452 have started the SB MSQ, and 436,131 of those have finished it.
If these players can get past Shinryu, I don't see how they can't get past this trial.

Even if the playerbase halved like that, the game would still be unlikely to go F2P. Just look at FFXI, with its playerbase that's way lower, while still being a P2P MMO.

[Khaidal]

I don't understand the problem. Not every fight needs to be a one shot. Who cares if you had to take a few tries to finish the fight? The end result is all that matters.

[BigRed5392]

Solo'ing in an MMO does make you better, it forces you to actually be good at what you do.

its an mmo, as in MULTIPLAYER it should be up to the digression of the players to solo content or not.

soloing doesn't help you be good as soloing and group play are not the same. It shows in this game when people step on each other toes and bully people. Can't tell you how often i see people "solo" group dungeons by doing their own thing with lil to no communication only to get uppity when it falls apart or wipes are caused by said actions. in my view there is too much solo content. If you want to solo, go for it. But why scoff at an option for people to play together?

heck eso did the forced solo thing, and they fixed it with 1 tamerial. I can't tell you how often ppl complain about the forced solo when questing with friends.

I rather people know how to work as a TEAM to benefit one another and learn how to use their TEAM skills, instead of "being good" at solo dpsing.

[RiyahArp]

I don't understand the problem. Not every fight needs to be a one shot. Who cares if you had to take a few tries to finish the fight? The end result is all that matters.

It sounds like they've tried it a bit, the issue is more that the minigame is something they struggle with in particular. Imagine if you had to win a Lord of Verminion match to finish the story. It might be similar for them.

[BigRed5392]

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solo content makes ppl use team skills less often

solo content makes ppl think pt members are npc

solo content makes ppl not communicate in group cintent stepping on each other toes.


I never said forced grouping but you E's use the term carry way to much. me and my g/f enjoy playing the game together like any other. No game mmo or otherwise forces us to play solo on stuff by force its a choice.

all the things you listed can be done in a group as well, such as people watching you play and give you tips, kinda lame excuse about not standing in fire... but :huh: peoples kits also have team buffs and aids that no one uses.

but really stop making lame excuses and being sour cuz you run into "bad" players.

good players will learn regardless of if they do content solo or not. bad players will not learn regardless of solo content.

the way you talk , and people like you talk makes me think of the quiverfull blanket training. people learn in different ways which isn't bad.

Why hate on other people for having a difference of opinion. Its always "bad players" this"carry" that it can never be 2 ppl just want to quest together and do content together. So please stop the excuses. there is no reason to not have an option for ppl to do content together.

everything you and others have stated can be done in a group as well, if not done better by doing it as a group. It is common for a teacher to teach a student. its not uncommon for people to want to play together.

[BigRed5392]

Story mode content. Almost never.

As for solo content, Almost never unless I'm doing a job quest and never upgraded my gear for many levels. IE doing level 50 quest in ilevel 34 gear on PLD, it took a few tried but I got it I was just being lazy and didn't want to get gear for the job. Then I realized oo right, I had warrior at max ilevel and just changed my gear.
Also on solo content my hubby failed 1st time out about 1/2 the time.


WE DO QUEST TOGETHER AND HATE DISBANDING PARTY FOR STUFF LIKE THIS.

same

i don't get why some if these E's scoff at options. doing "solo" content as a party harms 0 ppl. just seems they look for any excuse to blame others.