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  1. #31
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    ChaozK's Avatar
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    Baal Mirtaq
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    Shiva
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashenspire View Post
    A ~2% raid increase isn't too much for one guy. Ninja brings more that with Trick Attack alone, not to mention the enmity tools and slash resist for the tanks to do more dps.
    2% is actually insane and would be more than nin or brd. The idea sounds fun but you would definitely need to make it a cd instead of a permanent trait. Else its just broken.
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  2. #32
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    Sunako's Avatar
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    Sunako Kirishiki
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashenspire View Post
    A ~2% raid increase isn't too much for one guy. Ninja brings more that with Trick Attack alone, not to mention the enmity tools and slash resist for the tanks to do more dps.
    Summoner devotion is 2% with 1/8 uptime average 0.25% damage buff
    Radiant shield is 2% with 1/3 uptime average 0.67% physical damage taken buff
    Contagion is 10% with 1/4 uptime average 2.5% magical damage taken buff
    Monk brotherhood is 5% with 1/6 uptime average 0.83% physical damage buff
    RDM embolden is average 6% with 1/6 uptime average 1% physical damage taken buff
    MCH hypercharge is 6% with 1/4 uptime average 1.5% damage taken buff
    Ninja trick attack is 10% with 1/6 uptime average 1.67% damage taken buff

    2.17% is huge damage buff for whole party.
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    Last edited by Sunako; 10-16-2017 at 12:24 PM.

  3. #33
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    Sylvain's Avatar
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    Sylvestre Solscribe
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    Ragnarok
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    Summoner Lv 90
    I'd rather have them buff the BLM dmg to be on par with SAM (if not more when fight is advantageous for the BLM such as os2)

    Oh and, a fusion of Ley Line / Between the Lines and FireIV/IceIV.
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  4. #34
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    SpeckledBurd's Avatar
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    K'ahli K'uhla'tor
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    It'd probably be healthier for the game as a whole if we see Summoner, Machinist, Ninja and Bard's damage come down than see one job at a time come up as SE tries to balance things honestly. That improves Monk, Samurai and Black Mage's viability rather than just Black Mage's and it avoids the constant counter buffing that created the double ranged physical comp.
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  5. #35
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    Ashenspire Desdimarnia
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunako View Post
    Summoner devotion is 2% with 1/8 uptime average 0.25% damage buff
    Radiant shield is 2% with 1/3 uptime average 0.67% physical damage taken buff
    Contagion is 10% with 1/4 uptime average 2.5% magical damage taken buff
    Monk brotherhood is 5% with 1/6 uptime average 0.83% physical damage buff
    RDM embolden is average 6% with 1/6 uptime average 1% physical damage taken buff
    MCH hypercharge is 6% with 1/4 uptime average 1.5% damage taken buff
    Ninja trick attack is 10% with 1/6 uptime average 1.67% damage taken buff

    2.17% is huge damage buff for whole party.
    Considering how burst phases are centered around Trick Attack, it ends up being more than 1.67%. While this could be optimized around, it wouldn't be beyond maybe the opener

    Like I said, could easily cap it at 3 stacks, which drops it to ~1%.

    Straight Potency buffs are boring, and won\\'t work well with the game in terms of group attractiveness. Offensive utility is king in this game.
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  6. #36
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    Llugen's Avatar
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    Zera Vyre
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 90
    Finally someone who agrees with me about straight potency buffs being boring/band-aids!!

    To balance it, they could just make it a proc chance or yeah cap it at 3. This, coupled with some of my suggestions regarding movement and the astral/umbral timer and thunder dot timers could really fix the class in a great way.
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  7. #37
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    Frizze Steeleblaze
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    Lamia
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    I mean, if the problem is what percentage of a boost it ends up being to the party you can change the numbers until the math works out the way you want it to. I would be in favor of some sort of buff like this.
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  8. #38
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    Character
    Kronus Magnus
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 70
    Reward the party simply for having them in your party and doing what they already do - melt faces.

    AfterMath - Level 50 Trait

    Fire & Ice Spells inflicts a dot of embers or frost. Aftermath last 9 seconds or until the next fire or ice spell lands then is refreshed.

    This gives BLM damage in between long cast and movement.

    It doesn't change the core of the job.

    BLM shouldn't have a raise, they should have a personal buff based off the party situation.

    Wrath Of The Sorceror - Level 62 Trait
    Anytime a party member falls below 20% health. Cast speed and critical damage is increased by 5% for 9 seconds.
    Anytime a party member dies. Cast Speed and critical damage is increased by 10% for 9 seconds.

    These don't stack. If two black mages are present, each blm can only have one scenario in effect at one time.
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  9. #39
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    Llugen's Avatar
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    Zera Vyre
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 90
    I would still argue for a BLM raise off-gcd for the sake of class balance, but someone suggested in one of the threads instead of having a raise on a target giving the job the ability to raise itself if it dies. This could fit possibly.

    I don't like the idea of other party members dying/hurting giving any job buffs. This alludes strongly to grief play or deliberate damage taking which has ominous implications for the duty finder, and my guess is that SE would agree with me on that. Additional dots for strength might not be "bad" per se, but it might fly in the face of their "button bloat reduction" that they gave the rest of the jobs by removing lots of dots, so I doubt that would be a solution they would gravitate toward, either.
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    Last edited by Llugen; 10-20-2017 at 04:07 AM.

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