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    Gallus's Avatar
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TiaHariberu View Post
    But u only need 3 macros since you dont have to macro for urself :thinking: but okay if u dont want to learn lol
    Yep, true. But you know what? For every TBN I apply on myself I apply 50 to my melee, 20 to my healer and 10 to my ranged, so hardly matters (could change my <1> TBN macro for the skill itself but meh). The only instance where I spam TBN on myself is when the game is say 1 minute from ending, I try to kite as much as possible with sprint with TBN spam and stuns on their melee with Grit on. That happens like 1 out of 20 games though, the only instance where I pick medals that put me with 4+ vulnes is when nobody else does (for whatever reason...) and need those medals because we are behind (and I only do that if game is almost ending, personally, I find it easier to make a comeback under normal circumstances than expecting not to get killed with 4+ vulnes when there are still 2 mins and 30 seconds left).
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    Tia Chan
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    Dragoon Lv 38
    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    Yep, true
    It's okay keep up your 220k dmg on drk while losing easy farm for me whenever I q. You focus to much on dmg you literally do 200+ k dmg while not killing anything in a whole 8min game meanwhile enemy dps and tank have way less dmg and dominate.Like I said if u dont want to learn or advice ok or tell me I lie but I stream and can rewatch lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiaHariberu View Post
    It's okay keep up your 220k dmg on drk while losing easy farm for me whenever I q. You focus to much on dmg you literally do 200+ k dmg while not killing anything in a whole 8min game meanwhile enemy dps and tank have way less dmg and dominate.Like I said if u dont want to learn or advice ok or tell me I lie but I stream and can rewatch lol.
    Doing 220k damage doesn't exclude me from fulfilling my other duties such as CC or TBN. Or you think 130k Drks don't do 200k because they are busy with TBN?
    At this point I can't help but think you've decided to turn this discussion into a war (judging by your "you'd be bronze/silver by how you play" makes me think you wanted this from the very beginning).

    The point of this thread was a dps meter in the wolves den for the fresh PVP rotations. It's something that would cost almost no resources, something extremely easy to implement, and would be a bonus. I said I was diamond when the first answer I got was from someone who said "game is all about bursts and CC", which any diamond player I believe knows that, my point wasn't that I'm a super good player or anything, just that I knew something as elemental as that. But a couple of you jumped on me like hungry wolves with remarks such as "being dia doesn't mean you are good, in fact you are bad" or "dia in S5= bronze in other seasons".

    Anyhow, pvp rotations are indeed easy, and the dummy wouldn't only serve the purpose of learning to performing them properly (because they are pretty simple), but we'd all (PS4 players too) know what damage difference there is amongst all the classes. A PLD hits way less than a DRK, but how much less? Or a WAR supossedly hits harder than a DRK, but by how much? There'd be a few interesting stuff to test. Testing this sort of stuff doesn't mean getting obsessed with numbers or not acknowledging there are a lot of other variables that decide which team wins/loses.
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    Commander_Justitia's Avatar
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    Anyhow, pvp rotations are indeed easy, and the dummy wouldn't only serve the purpose of learning to performing them properly (because they are pretty simple), but we'd all (PS4 players too) know what damage difference there is amongst all the classes. A PLD hits way less than a DRK, but how much less? Or a WAR supossedly hits harder than a DRK, but by how much?
    Thing is, burst of the classes have been dumped down so strictly that there is not much variation anymore how the burst develops. Most classes have their 6-10s window where the burst happens, taking more than 20s to calculate the burst wouldn't be so useful for comparison of bursts I guess. That means you have like 7-15 GCD in that burst window, with no autoattacks, criticals, direct hits, evades,mitigation or whatever. If you really want to know you can just take your calculator and add these 7-15 GCD + offglobals together and you have the different burst outputs.

    Putting SSS for PvP would mean putting dummy for 30 second parsings in there. It is not useful enough to invest dev time when you can get the information so easily anyway.

    Edit:
    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    As for your posts... let me ask you something... you don't seem to be a big fan of SSS or fflogs in the first place. I know fflogs can have a lot of biased numbers (and can generate some elitism), but don't you think its pros outshined its cons?
    If more people would use the fullscale possibilities of fflogs then yes the pros would outshine, but this community rather develops into a percentile contest fight for casual content and this is something I would avoid...
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    Last edited by Commander_Justitia; 10-14-2017 at 09:42 PM.