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    Player Snow_Princess's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHeggunte View Post
    But... it doesn't? I don't know why people always parrot this nonsense because it's not much of an argument. Charging for a services is a common way to limit how many people use it, which is anexceedingly useful tactic when your service can only provide for so many customers at a time.

    Fewer players with extra retainers directly translates to less data transfer, which is one source of server stress. Considering how the servers have performed in the past, it's not too much of a stretch to assume the servers would display more issues if everyone received another extra retainer right now. Charging for the retainers is an immediate guarantee that most of your customers won't have extra and is a good way to relieve stress until you can figure out how to improve performance without outright refusing extra space.

    It's common practice used by many a business that provides a limited service, but nah. In this case it's clearly SE reaching for some kind of shameless cash grab. SE isn't perfect, but it's tiresome to watch people eschew common sense day in and day out just because they want to be upset about something.
    Not here, it is simply exploitation when you intentionally bloat inventory. ..
    ..
    Oh you are basically saying that, ya I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khanscott View Post
    The Mog Station is the reason we might and this is a big might see KH3 and FFVII within our lifetimes.
    Nope, just exploitation, all the prices are (cept maybe weddings, and that is a big maybe, since biggest one is 20 x 2 = 40, could be slightly cheaper, but they do give a free one so i am not sure how I feel about that yet.) They are high to attempt to take advantage of people. We give them tons of money though it, we deserve better servers that can process information better, not ones running on 1990's tech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHeggunte View Post
    Charging for a services is a common way to limit how many people use it, which is an exceedingly useful tactic when your service can only provide for so many customers at a time.

    Fewer players with extra retainers directly translates to less data transfer, which is one source of server stress.
    OK, now this is why I think you are misinformed. You say that retainer limit is because they can only provide for so many customers at a time. So you and I pay. Lets say that another million accounts pay (very generous). How many characters have been created and how many accounts do they brag about? That is way way over a million. So now you could say they don't keep that data. While SE kind of runs an MMO like a scrub. I do not believe they would move that data into storage or delete it with out an announcement. While this isn't exactly 11 they did warn about storing and deleting data for inactive accounts. When a few of us came back actually worked out to all our level 1 mules, but the few we had leveled past 20 they had kept even though we had been warned. So they have room for millions of non paying customers, but need to limit the data that paying customers have.

    Next you mention data transfer. One of two things as it didn't come across or as I missed it. You think having extra retainers increases my data transfer. You can only interact with one retainer at a time so you would literally be using the same bandwidth if you had 1 or a million retainers. If you think that loading each retainer creates a large load (who knows this is SE), that is probably a quality of development question that would need to be addressed. Retainers are the perfect example of instanced housing. While they do require data storage. They only use data transfer one at a time and only when you are on.

    Now do you see why some people believe it is a cash grab. Unless you have some sort of differing approach to the issue that would prove that SE has created an issue other games don't have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khanscott View Post
    Hmm, from what I can gather the people here are either stating that there is isn't enough inventory space in the game or you can omnicraft successfully and buy all the housing wards by only using an amount of slots you can count with your fingers. Pretty obvious that inventory has never been a server issue at any given point given how spending extra on retainers magically makes the server issue go away. Same crap, different hour of the same day.

    Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?

    To condescendingly (#transparency) add to the topic; glamor logs is unpossible, I agree fully with this statement. You could never treat gear like Orchestron Rolls and add them to a sub menu so you could go to some arbitrary spot that isn't a jukebox and apply them. Because using a jukebox to apply glamors would be weird.
    It works absolutely seemlessly in WoW. Their Trasmog and appearance log systems are infinitely better and more fun than what we have in FF14 currently.

    It's not 'unpossible' in any sense of the term. Although it would most certainly require a lot of work, time, and effort, to complete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khanscott View Post
    To condescendingly (#transparency) add to the topic; glamor logs is unpossible, I agree fully with this statement. You could never treat gear like Orchestron Rolls and add them to a sub menu so you could go to some arbitrary spot that isn't a jukebox and apply them. Because using a jukebox to apply glamors would be weird.
    Actually, you could make it work in the same way the orchestration stuff works. There are currently varying styles of armoires(only one that I know of that is currently able to be interacted with - and store seasonal/achievement gears) that they could do the same thing with for the clothing/armours/weapons(or add a weapon rack housing item...which would be neat, but harder because what if it's got no weapons on it? Will it look empty?).
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    Problem solved, Sell stuff, Turn stuff in, Craft and sell it. Stop Hording items you think you may use at some distant point.
    I do agree there are still items that could be added to currency tab.
    And a tackle box is much needed.
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    If I play tank I only give it out to healers.
    If I play healer I only give it out to tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airget View Post
    Um, you drop the gear that's easier to get not harder, unless you are saying that all 35 slots of your armoury chest have rare items that are hard to regain? Otherwise you created a nonsensical hyperbole.
    How do you explain dyes that aren't easy to get then? Most of my stuff is dyed Jet Black which goes for about 1m a pop on my server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow_Princess View Post
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    So who's more important? The thousands of people who want houses or the
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    1-5 people per server.
    ?

    Also putting people down? The
    Quote Originally Posted by Snow_Princess View Post
    1-5 people per server.
    ? You think SE cares? They got bigger issues to spend their server power on. Like increasing housing and glamour logs. Housing first though because people demand that more. Funny, you talk about being "put down" when you've been putting down literally every single person who doesn't agree with you. Even omnicrafters and players of 5 years or more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post
    So who's more important? The thousands of people who want houses or the ?

    Also putting people down? The ? You think SE cares? They got bigger issues to spend their server power on. Like increasing housing and glamour logs. Housing first though because people demand that more. Funny, you talk about being "put down" when you've been putting down literally every single person who doesn't agree with you. Even omnicrafters and players of 5 years or more.
    So you forgot why you are attacking me? I am asking for a glamor log, what is your problem? Also there hasn't been an omnicrafter for 5 years or more in this thread, and if your talking about that kind of player, they don't glam all the jobs in the game because they only focus on crafting.
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    Player Magic-Mal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow_Princess View Post
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    Never attacked you in the first place. I responded* to you regarding your need for more space after 8 retainers. You never said glamour was why you need space. You said you needed space because you are a "true crafter" and because there are "too many mats" in this game. Nobody, not a single person ever said they didn't want a glamour log. Also I said you are putting down omnicrafters and* 5-year players. Not 5-year omnicrafter players.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snow_Princess View Post
    if your talking about that kind of player, they don't glam all the jobs in the game because they only focus on crafting
    Wait.. so they don't glamour because they craft. But.. you do? What?
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    Last edited by Magic-Mal; 10-16-2017 at 11:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow_Princess View Post
    Also there hasn't been an omnicrafter for 5 years or more in this thread, and if your talking about that kind of player, they don't glam all the jobs in the game because they only focus on crafting.
    *raises hand*

    I already posted that I am an omnicrafter with all crafts leveled and time wise it has been from 1.0 until now and I also do glamour as well and do battle content and raiding. I basically do all the content in this game (except PVP...although I did do it for the glamours I wanted then stopped oh and the gloria airship and the 2 doggie minions)

    I started with 2 retainers and eventually bought one extra one near end of ARR and I've been using three since then. I am a bit full, but I am managing still. Even if I bought one more retainer to get to 4 you still would have double the extra space over me with your 8 retainers.

    Sorry, but your situation is a bit odd. I am trying to understand it, but can't figure it out.
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