Quit trying to turn FFXIV into Wow, peeps

[Selova]

The comparisons to WoW are always going to pop up. It's the biggest and most popular MMO for a reason, so obviously players and developers are going to draw comparisons and even in some cases get inspirations from WoW, Yoshi P has already mentioned that there are parts in FFXIV that drew inspirations from WoW. Wow is the poster child for successful MMOs, hence why so many companies have tried to emulate it despite crashing and burning. All I can say is FFXIV is still a top contender for one of the biggest and most successful MMOs, but it still has room for improvement. Outside of instanced content the game suffers, the world feels dead once you've completed your MSQ and fates are a joke. I honestly won't be surprised if they design new content for the world with world quests from wow being the inspiration. Just because you don't like the WoW comparisons doesn't mean comparing aspects of both games is a bad thing.

[RitsukoSonoda]

WoW itself wasn't even as innovative as the fanbase would have you believe. Blizzard did engineer the lore and story using their Warcraft franchise to create a setting but the UI and features in the game were taken from numerous other MMOs that came before it.

Incorporating ideas from other games isn't inherently bad as long as the developer tries to also innovate some of their own ideas or improve on what was done before. Sometimes they fall on their face doing so. Take FFXIV's housing issue. The system was originally created around being an FC feature and for the most part it seemed to work great. Then it was changed to support individual players and this is where they have kind of fell flat and are now in a situation without a real solution that isn't going to amount to more than a Band-Aid and any proper solution is going to upset someone somewhere.

[Snow_Princess]

WoW itself wasn't even as innovative as the fanbase would have you believe. Blizzard didengineer the lore and story using their Warcraft franchise to create a setting but the UI and features in the game were taken from numerous other MMOs that came before it.

Incorporating ideas from other games isn't inherently bad as long as the developer tries to also innovate some of their own ideas or improve on what was done before. Sometimes they fall on their face doing so. Take FFXIV's housing issue. The system was originally created around being an FC feature and for the most part it seemed to work great. Then it was changed to support individual players and this is where they have kind of fell flat and are now in a situation without a real solution that isn't going to amount to more than a Band-Aid and any proper solution is going to upset someone somewhere.

I disagree that was the reasoning. When housing was first released and it was FC only it cost a ton of gil and not many people could afford it, so it felt special when your FC had one.

Now the world if raining gil and the supply can't meet the demand because there is too much gil around. So then it becomes "Oh I have nothing else to do with the gil so I want a house"

[Eli85]

So... if another game that players hate irrationally has a good feature that would benefit XIV, it should be ignored and shunned because it came from that game.

OP, I'm happy you're not on the XIV development team.

[Eli85]

Another person putting words into my mouth. Would you please show where I might have said anything that constitutes an irrational hate for a game, or that I explicitly said it should be shunned and ignored? I would really love to see this. Do be sure to either quote it or paste the hyperlink.

What WoW is doing made them successful…it’s not gonna make FFXIV successful…in fact, it’s probably gonna piss off some players.

Bolded is where you made your misstep. Features or reasons for success in a game within genre is completely applicable to other games. What you say here, explicity, is WoW did X and therefore XIV should not do X (and you go further saying it will anger the playerbase).

In movies, do we say, "the Godfather is the most successful mob movie, therefore no one movies should use the mob as a plot device?" No.

In novels, do we say, "the Lord of the Rings is the most successful literary work, therefore no other novels should use dwarves, elves, and halfings?" No.

So why, in MMOs, do people like you think that any idea borrowed from or inspired by the big dog is a horrible idea that should not be considered? The simple answer is: players, like yourself, have an irrational hate for the big dog.

Stop it.

[AlthusRitoto]

'People like me', eh?

People like you are the reason that doesn't understand the concept of successful MMORPGs. World of Warcraft was successful for its gameplay, and A Realm Reborn took the concept of it, which made the FF14 franchise come back alive.

FF14 1.0 was taking the concept of FF11 before, and it didn't work so well. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

[Eli85]

Again, you failed to show where I even made a hint that I had any hatred or dislike towards WoW. And I've even stated as much quite a few times that I think WoW is fine. Right now, all you're doing is taking something and twisting it into something that I haven't even said. Maybe somebody else said it...I dunno, because people keep saying I hate WoW.

You do not want features borrowed from or inspired by WoW because it won't make XIV successful and it would anger players (your words, not mine).

The reality is, these are features that can make XIV better, but nope, can't have them because they come from WoW.

There is no explainable rational to this line of thinking then you despise WoW and fear even inspiration will turn XIV into what you hate.

[DeaconMoore]

So why, in MMOs, do people like you think that any idea borrowed from or inspired by the big dog is a horrible idea that should not be considered? The simple answer is: players, like yourself, have an irrational hate for the big dog.

Stop it.

That "big dog" isn't so big anymore. In six months time that big dog went from bragging about sub #'s to the world the last time, boasting a return to numbers to levels near it's peak years ago to losing those numbers and going below what they had maintained after 14 months of the previous expansions content drought. They haven't mentioned sub numbers since and never will again after that embarrassment. Anything taken from that game at this point should be done so with extreme caution. It's appeal is to it's die hards.