Selling Runs and Clears

[Aylis]

I'm not really bothered by it, if someone wants to buy or sell a run. It's of no mind to me. However this is a case of the community being its own worst enemy. I know how having someone who bought a run can be a detriment to the party. I can't really blame people for buying clear runs though when I see comments on patch day just an hour or two after server up of party finder messages of "must know the mechanics perfectly or kick" or walls of text of whatever bad things the leader wants to do to you if the party fails. Mixed with comments of "this content is a week old, what do you mean you haven't done it yet??" If a new player misses the server up learning time, isn't fortunate to be able to play that day or wants to do it later. Said player often get's chastized for missing the boat. I know not everyone in the community are jerks, but when faced with jerks over and over its easy to see why run sales are popular and why people turn to them.

After all, which case means a new player would at least get a chance to see and try to learn the mechanics. Buy a run, or get in a fresh instance where the party disbands the second they see the new player bonus?

[Aylis]

Or he can make is own practice party? Asking for help in his FC? Having initiative is the best way to ensure you do everything you want.

Which I'm sure plenty have done before. However its a two way street, all the initiative in the world won't help those players if no one are willing to help them. For said above reasons. Players want things over fast and get mad if things don't go their way. Maybe that's another reason why run sales thrive, for the players that asked for help but that initiative fell on deaf ears.

[KarstenS]

they needed the clear to get into PFs or raid statics that required they clear the content first.

When people write clear xy needed, then they don't mean the kill itself in the first line. They request a specific level of skill and experience

Selling runs will never affect game balance.

Just looking at the prices (and the new coil will be over 100kk on Odin for sure), you don't really expect that the most of this Gil is gained without RMT. Most people who don't have the time to raid, also don't have the time to get this amount of Gil.

RMT Gil affect the game balance. Buying kills with RMT Gil do the same.

[SerLuke]

Sorry to bump an old thread I did a search and this was the most relevant/recent thread I could find to post this is.

For me, the issue isn't so much that clears are being sold for gil, its the way they are being being advertised, I like to go through PF to help people clear content, yet everyday I'll see listings under Ex Roulette, Lakshmi, etc. with people selling Omega Savage or even Ultimate Coils. What also bugs me a bit is a lot of these clears aren't clicking the "Recruit members across world server" option so I see people selling from different servers selling clears(and telling people to contact them on Discord) which makes me think maybe they are selling clears for real money and not just gil(plus some are selling Ulitmate coil which is super shady cause there is no way that can be done with 7 people). In any event it would great if there was some way to at least to get people to stop abusing PF(by mis-listing or not clicking server only) to sell clears.

[Sylvina]

I dont care how many tries it takes, i’ll be damned if im paying anyone my glamour funds to carry me through content.

EDIT: Guys I wasnt tryin to downplay anyone. Trying to understand really. I guess from MY perspective its pretty ridiculous when I have like 120k on average. It IS their gil I get that much. But personally I wouldn’t have a sense of accomplishment after the clear, AND my pockets would probably be empty.

I completely agree and even feel that it should be against TOS to sell clears. something seems very fishy about it.

[Sebazy]

I completely agree and even feel that it should be against TOS to sell clears. something seems very fishy about it.

Howso?

In the grand scheme of things, it's actually no different to paying someone to craft an item for you no?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I completely agree and even feel that it should be against TOS to sell clears. something seems very fishy about it.

Who does it really harm though?

In any case, even if the devs did want to ban it, how do you go about monitoring something like that? People would just advertise on Reddit and arrange everything on Discord. All the devs would ever see is one person struggling with mechanics.

[Sylvina]

Who does it really harm though?

In any case, even if the devs did want to ban it, how do you go about monitoring something like that? People would just advertise on Reddit and arrange everything on Discord. All the devs would ever see is one person struggling with mechanics.

This is true, I mean they can't even get rid of all the RMT and chat spam bots.

[Kerwin]

Hired mercs have been a thing since as far back as I can remember in Mmos. I just figure "Poor Bastard needs to pay for the clear? Lucky for the mercs."

And then just move on.

All party's benefit from the accord. So long as people honor their word, there's nothing wrong about the practice. Sure though. I get the salt and it's laughable to me. But to assume everyone is using RMT money to buy runs is an exaggeration. I know plenty of wealthy crafters who don't care for content because they can easily afford such costly services, and to not be stuck in a learning "clear" group with people who are clearly still "learning."

All in all, it's just another way to make money. Guaranteed service like a player run casino. But that's... another topic for another day

[odintius]

I dont really care if people do this, but you have to admit it a sweet deal if rmt get involved in the market as well. Sell the Gil to a player and get a chance in getting it returned if not get Gil anyways from another player =profit. No one really know between legit players from rmt thats perfect cover imo. /Shrugs