Selling Runs and Clears

[TaleraRistain]

This. I will dance happily the day they outlaw and terminate runsellers accounts. There is zero difference between a runseller and rmts. They are both exploiting cheaters.

How is this any different than taking your friend into something for a clear and they spend the fight on the floor? Or crafting/gathering? It's a service someone is providing for in-game cash. I wouldn't do it, but they're not breaking any game rules.

[Ilan]

This. I will dance happily the day they outlaw and terminate runsellers accounts. There is zero difference between a runseller and rmts. They are both exploiting cheaters.

Where is it cheating to carry someone through content (who is unable or unwilling to do it himself) and take some gil for it? Or is it for you already a cheat to carry someone through content? Because then i have to report myself and my friends for cheating almost everytime one of us goes into the DF to do roulettes or something.

They are traiding a simple service for ingame currency and thats completly fine. If you want to ban stuff like that you also have to ban everyone who sells crafted stuff in the mb.

[Crysten]

This. I will dance happily the day they outlaw and terminate runsellers accounts. There is zero difference between a runseller and rmts. They are both exploiting cheaters.

Incorrectly assuming that all run buyers are somehow RMT.

I've never been a big fan of mercenary runs (mostly due to the potential of giving clears to terrible players who make a lot of money and having them shit up the normal PF runs) but at the end of the day, if people wish to spend their money on this stuff, and people are willing to do it, it'll forever be a thing. It's somewhat lazy, yes, but cheating? Not really.

The game economy is at a point where outside of glamours, minions and housing that no-one can get, there are literally no gil sinks. What else would people spend money on if they can't clear certain content?

[Ametrine]

This was much worse in ARR days as we could not enter unsync'd content, but it's not new, and it's not against ToS, either.

Though I'm with you, OP. I'd never throw my gil at people to carry me for story! Shoot, I'm happily running coils now.

[hydralus]

That's what gil is for - to skip content you don't want to do. Do you want to run expert 4 times to get a ring or do you want to pay a crafter 150k to get one. Do you want to get a pile of gold to furnish your house by running aquapolis 20 times, or do you want to pay someone else 3 million. Do you want to spend an hour gathering 40 fish for that food you need to craft, or will you buy it off a gatherer.

Personally I don't have any gumption to pay for a minor stat upgrade, but it ain't my gil.

[Niqote]

That's what gil is for - to skip content you don't want to do. Do you want to run expert 4 times to get a ring or do you want to pay a crafter 150k to get one. Do you want to get a pile of gold to furnish your house by running aquapolis 20 times, or do you want to pay someone else 3 million. Do you want to spend an hour gathering 40 fish for that food you need to craft, or will you buy it off a gatherer.

Personally I don't have any gumption to pay for a minor stat upgrade, but it ain't my gil.

These are also my feelings, if the players can generate an economy from skilled combat then good for them.
The only negative is that they are letting a person into raid/duty finders that first require a completion, but that likely isn't an issue for most players (buyers) as they wont queue alone to be kicked.

[Avenger]

I don't find run selling appealing - it is kind of like paying gil to someone else to play the game for you - and I am not a fan of run selling shouts or listing in PF, but I think it is within the terms of service of the game and overall it doesn't affect me much. Some people must find it valuable.

I guess it could result in some people seeming to be more experienced or skilled at certain fights than they actually are, but that could happen regardless of whether they paid for the carry or not. I suppose that gil buying players might also buy clears, but there is lots of expensive stuff on the market board anyway that they could spend their ill gotten gil on anyway.

[Avenger]

In one sense run selling is interesting - in that it is a player initiated business that isn't run or necessarily authorized by the game itself, although it is facilitated by party finder. And unlike RMT it doesn't seem to affect the game balance so far and it isn't banned by the terms of service.

[Welsper59]

In one sense run selling is interesting - in that it is a player initiated business that isn't run or necessarily authorized by the game itself, although it is facilitated by party finder. And unlike RMT it doesn't seem to affect the game balance so far and it isn't banned by the terms of service.

Selling runs will never affect game balance. This type of service has probably existed since MMORPGs became a thing. Hell, as far as video games go, it existed since the very moment someone needed help beating something and handed the controller to another person. It's a strictly in-game service, not unlike the selling of goods from crafters/gatherers, albeit one that is more direct and involved. For the same reason that people would claim that players that buy wins/gear through such services should not do it, the same can generally be argued for people who buy crafted/gathered goods. The willingness to do what needs to be done is not there, hence you partake in the services of others.

I do not sell clears, nor do I partake in them. I just don't care in general. As a neutral observer, there is a clear cut understanding of what is and is not a legit in-game service. Selling clear runs (or the gear that drops as a result) through a strictly in-game medium is a legit service. Unlike things like reselling houses in the game for profit, it does not negatively impact players across the board. Biased feelings towards run selling are based around morals and can often be considered petty because of it. Speaking in broad terms here, but who cares what someone else does when it doesn't meaningfully impact you? That's like saying someone that undercut Zelkova Logs on the MB are going to, as a result, ruin everything else on the market board. Someone elses feelings do not dictate what another player harmlessly does for themselves.

[NephthysVasudan]

Honestly..if you pay for this stuff...you deserve to get robbed/ripped off.

It's a scam/sham/total rip off honestly.

The game is not that hard - you do not need to fall prey to this crap.

I wish SE would just flat out ban it and put it under "RMT" because honestly...it really is a form of it when you get right down to it.

not to mention the obvious fact you may end up losing your account info by handing it over to them (MANY other companies/games will ban you for giving your information out!)- I mean how else do they do it in the first place? "assist" you? Why pay gil when you can start a PF and give everyone bonuses for helping you.

Don't get it at all..are there that many suckers falling prey to this?