Thread: Better Rewards for Ultimate Bahamut - Next Tier Gear

If Savage was designed and mostly completed in 320 gear to have a chance at 340 gear, but Ultimate was designed and must be completed in 340 gear.

That person who completes an event that is purposely designed to be harder, should be rewarded with something better for the time invested on something locked behind Last boss of 320 designed content, that is fair.

Give Hardcore players some future proof reward, or early access to something other than 1 more materia slot that may or may not increases your % chance by .5%. Say early access to Relic Weapon/Skip Relic-Step with a Key Item obtained from Ultimate, or Relic Gear that you can customize with Penta-meld slots with additional iLvl.

This is the golden opportunity to fix, add onto the way things are now, cause the formula hasn't changed at all since inclusion of 24-man raids.

In other games not only once did i ever get upset at other players getting better equipment, if it meant they worked harder and dedicated the time for it.

If done properly, It wouldn't affect how fights are designed for next savage raid, since Ultimate will be part of the formula that you can't skip last boss of Savage.

Well like Savage 2nd coil, it was used as a basis for savage.. they treating Ultimate the exact same way, hell its perfect! why? cause 24-man raid patch comes every odd patch, including ultimate with 24man raid will make casuals and hardcore happy, it even has a 2 week release date like savage post patch.

Savage was bragging rights, now its the norm..

Ultimate considered bragging rights now, it will be the norm.. so why not skip the BS and just give players better reward for doing harder content anyway! It's going to happen regardless in future.... This will give V4S more of a purpose overall, I watched videos of first clears, hearing someone say "Why did i bother learning this" was not the first thing i wanted to hear, but also gave me realization how useless the last boss is going forwards till patch 4.2 since now everyone can get 340 now if you can complete v3s.

BUT if Ultimate became the unique rewarding content that rewards players for completing v4s and for beating the hardest content in the game during the Casual content release, it would not only give incentive to do it, but also give people something to look forward too months after savage tier patch.

Many players are upset at the amount to do to progress their characters further outside of savage post ilvl increase, most people by now will are 340, or at least close to having adequate gear to beat V4S, but some people don't bother, many groups are at point that by time 24-man raid comes out they don't have anything to do to improve their current job/character, some un-sub, some have quit all together cause of it.
This will give people something to do for their job/character they want to play as during this type of patch.

It is heavily tuned, to 340 gear, SAVAGE was tuned to 320~325. It's been months since savage release, people upgraded tome gear by now. If your not near 340 by now, you either are slacking heavily on daily expert, not participating in any hard content, un-subbed cause even Hunts/Maps/PvP gives creation... which i can guarantee Many people are doing hard content. Many people want formula to change on how content is delivered, If those people not doing hard content, don't want to do it cause they know in 6 months they can just buy crafted gear to do next tier stuff fine so be it. But if person does hardest content available and beats it, they should have better gear than the person who isn't actively participating in harder content. Sort of how THINGS ARE NOW.

So why not cut the BS, make Ultimate the next tier to do during 24-man patch, that is harder than savage and gives better rewards. Since you still need to clear v4s and be highest ilvl possible, this will not belittle savage. Only enhance it by giving it more of a purpose.

What happens if Casual player doesn't want to do utlimate/hardest content in game? well they got to wait until next even patch to upgrade their gear with crafting, spending millions..
No harm, no foul, they can still do ALL OTHER CONTENT cause it is never designed for highest ilvl.. they can still do savage if they so choose. BUT now have something to look forward post-clearing v4s.

What happens if Hardcore player wants to do ultimate/has done the hardest content in game? they can still wait for next patch upgrade their gear, spending millions and valuable time, OR they gear up to 340 via actively playing the game, clear v4s, do ultimate, upgrade their characters a little more for going the extra mile, investing more valuable time pre-next savage patch, future proofing AND enjoying the fight all while during 24-man patch that is designed around casual content.
How does that not sound fair or how does that single out people? It's benefiting people who wants to play this game, and rewards them for being good, MEANWHILE the game HUGELY favors the casuals wishes.

We already gave the casual crowd so much, we gave them NQ Raid, with NQ gear, with story elements and with little to no effort required to be geared for primals..
Give the Hardcore crowd something on par with how they treat casual crowd. Give Ultimate Raid, Ultimate gear that won't impede on next patch but future proof don't need unique story element but unique fight which is what they are doing.

Ultimate will never be new bosses we never seen, but re-imagined, tuned up old bosses almost all players have seen and experienced before. You can literally beat all the old coils bosses now unsync'd so it's not like all players can't experience coil's story OR difficulty, esp when they can turn on ilvl sync. Coil difficulty now is on par with NQ Omega Raid.

Current Patch Formula is getting old fast, people want something to change this is the opportunity to do it. This will bridge the gap over the void that currently exists between savage to savage patch.

Casuals can still do all content BUT ULTIMATE, is that a bad thing? moment we make the hardest fight and talk about better rewards for doing hardest available fight everyone is up in arms about it, even though ITS THE SAME THING AS EVERY EVEN PATCH.

Originally Posted by Hesitate89

So why not cut the BS, make Ultimate the next tier to do during 24-man patch, that is harder than savage and gives better rewards. Since you still need to clear v4s and be highest ilvl possible, this will not belittle savage. Only enhance it by giving it more of a purpose.

The only one doing the "BS" here is you. This was made with no rewards in mind, because it is far harder than what majority of the people can do. It is what people at the higher end of the spectrum asked for.
And now that you got it, you want to be rewarded for being rewarded?! If your boss gives you a bonus in work, you ask him to give you a bonus for spending that bonus?! That's ridiculous.

Play it how it was meant to be played...or skip it. NO ONE forces you to clear Ultimate if you think it's not worth the effort, so stop acting like someone that was wronged, demanding recompense or whatever.

Originally Posted by Hesitate89

What happens if player doesn't want to do utlimate/hardest content in game? well they got to wait until next even patch to upgrade their gear with crafting, spending millions..
No harm, no foul, they can still do primals cause it is never designed for highest ilvl.. they can still do savage if they so choose. BUT now have something to look forward post-clearing v4s.

You are self-centered. You keep talking about how people want the formula of content to be changed (you even wrote that in this very post), and yet, you demand that they follow that exact formula! The formula is that content gives better gear than what is required to clear it, and such progression is made. Clearly, that means that hardest content gives best gear (pretty much). Ultimate finishes with that, not giving anything better (well, not relevantly better) than what you need to finish it. It gives "bragging rights", "adrenaline"...and a one-run way to give your alternative jobs that best weapon, no RNG, no nada.

Originally Posted by Hesitate89

How does that not sound fair or how does that single out people? It's benefiting people who wants to play this game, and rewards them for being good, MEANWHILE the game HUGELY favors the casuals wishes.

The game is made for casual gameplay first and foremost. And a game where casual gamers are not ever able to compete against non-casual gamers fairly stops being casual-friendly. There are myriads of MMO's that are catering to the competitive sorts. If you dislike this first (and only right now) fight that's only for bragging rights so much that it is an eyesore that needs to be changed for you to consider yourself being treated fairly, then I think this game isn't for you.

Originally Posted by Hesitate89

Current Patch Formula is getting old fast, people want something to change this is the opportunity to do it.

What you want is FOLLOWING that formula! You just want shiny new gear better than others. You are trying to put that into a good light, but all you want is have a character better decked out than others, to feel that you are better. You don't care about the formula or the game, or any community (hardcore or casual). You just want to satisfy your own ego.

You obviously do not know how to read kikix12, and your insults is un warranted, your upset for no reason and you need to read my post again reading is fundamental. please do it.

I'm presenting a clear and reasonable case for a game that literally spoon feeds everyone. When i present a case to change the formula, benefits hardcore, that doesn't belittle casual that fills odd patches with something to do, which the odd patches are usually made for the casual crowd who DOESN'T NEED/BOTHER TO DO THEM, most them do it once and never again. Is wrong? They need to keep hardcore players in the door, cause people are leaving, many players BESIDES ME are saying for years now that it has to change...

You should open your eyes, i guess you might be blind to it though.

Every patch, everyone gets new content, half the time its not for hardcore, but 100% of the time it is casual grind friendly, But moment we talk about ONE CONTENT, that only best players can beat, which takes more time to beat, rewards that future proof those time investments more than now! Nope can't do that. Why are you against this.

People bitched about not seeing the bahamut coil story, which created NQ raid, well you don't have to worry about casuals complaining about story element for Bahamut, when its only Tunning up OLD BOSSES and can do normal coil unsync. Why is this bad again?