Thread: In Regard to Housing in Patch 4.1

Originally Posted by Abelfei

It's not exploiting if they agree to a price. The GM made perfect sense. You can sell, but not for profit.

Profit is any thing above the houses value. Each house has a plaque that says its value..so (at max price) any thing above these numbers is a profit S-4mil M-20mil L-50mil cause houses never go up in value they are locked in at the max price. So someone selling for above those needs banned. you dont get to set the value of the house so these 500mil sellers need permabanned

Just cause someone pays 50 mil to someone for a large then 50 mil to uy it off the board dosent make the house worth 100 mil. you clearly paid 50 mil for the house from the plaque meaning the plot its self is worth 50 mil still ..so sellig for more then 50 mil is making profit.

Edit: just to be clear ive never sold a plot heck i give them away or buy them for people lol..i personaly think flippers need ban, the fact people rush to buy plots just to resell is so stupid

Originally Posted by Abelfei

It's not exploiting if they agree to a price. The GM made perfect sense. You can sell, but not for profit. You're acting like what you say is definitive in the game world, when actually, this GM has a lot more say than you, so you saying he doesn't make sense.....doesn't make any sense. You're acting like the game is out to get you, it's comical. " line your pockets with millions of gil " , " not after you exploit a the person into paying you " , " exploiting a system of the game " ; wow..... you do realize these deals are always mutual and people know what they are spending and don't care right?

And what exactly is a profit? Isnt just one Gil more than the original price profit? Because in the end you paid a certain sum and most sellers of houses are not asking for this price...they go around and want double or more of it. Theoretically you are also already making a profit if you sell it for the original price because if you use the system that is in place you will only get around 80% (?) of you original price back. Selling it for more than that means you get more out of it -> profit.

Its just bad that this is still not regulated in a good way. If you ask some other GMs they might even give you a very different answer.

Originally Posted by Rinuko

I've said this many times. There is a need for a proper selling system for housing. If X person want to get rid of his/her house they should be able to get back a large chunk of their initial investment (similar to demolition).

I have zero problem with people selling their plot for the max amount it worth (i.e selling a grade 1 Large for 50M). Yes it sucks buyer have to pay 2x the price but that how it designed and i dont blame the seller wanting back what they invested.

The question is: Is it truly how its designed? If they had planned for people selling their plots, wouldn't they have integrated a system where this goes through without the chance that the buyer will not have a house at the end? Like an auction or something. In the end the normal way to get rid of your house is either through manually demolishing it or by getting it demolished after the timer is gone. If someone truly just want their house gone why not just wait for the timer to expire and get at least a big sum of money back, instead of selling them thus forcing the others to pay at least double the price?

They would have to give a percentage that would be a violation. Perhaps 200% or more mark up from default listing for plot+house would be 'too much' for example. Especially once you consider the player buying has to pay a player to vacate and then buy it from the server.

I guarantee there is something in the TOS that could easily be twisted or interpreted to say its a violation. Almost every one of those things has something along the lines of "Any action that is not intended by the developers and/or company is in violation" that can be used as a catch all. One of the few times I got in trouble on an official forum I was told to read the forum rules. The rules seemed fine until the last one said "Anything that the moderation team deems as a violation of policy is subject to action." which basically means "if the mods don't like a thing they can do what ever they want about it."

Edit: Heres an example:

YOU AGREE THAT YOUR FFXIV SERVICE ACCOUNT AND ANY VIRTUAL GOODS AND CHARACTERS DO NOT HAVE ANY MONETARY VALUE. SQUARE ENIX MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE FFXIV SERVICE ACCOUNTS, CHARACTERS, VIRTUAL GOODS, OR THE SERVICE ALTOGETHER, AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE OR LIABILITY TO YOU.

ie "we can do whatever we want to any of your FF14 stuff for any reason."

From a reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._housing_plan/

credits to ffxiv reddit discord's iluna minori for translation
アパルトメントが狭いので家のようにSMLを作ってほしい
Apartment currently feels cramp, so we'd like to have options to have a S M or L sized apartments
パッチ4.2に向かって土地を増やして皆さんに公平に渡るように全力で開発を行っている なので今のところ大型のアパルトメントの開発予定はないがタスクが終わった後で前向きに検討したい
Yoshida: We're currently working in adding more wards and a system where everyone can obtain a new house fair and square for Patch 4.2.
Therefore for now we don't have plans to develop a large scale apartments right now but once we get the current task done, we'd like to move foward and see what we can do with it.

Since I cant speek Japanese I am not sure how accurate these translations are but somehow they are planning to adding new wards and something where people can get a new house fair and square...I am honestly feeling like this sounds like some kind of lottery system and I hope that this is not true. This would not change the problem itself which is the amount of housing.

Also it seems that they consider apartments with different sizes and I really hope that the older ones can be changed too but who knows how long that will take. ^^;

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

I'm just kinda tired on the argument its against TOS when it's not. The producer have stated they not fine with it when its flipped for high amount (which again is super vague).
Anyone is free to correct me if i'm wrong but i can't find it in the TOS. But until its part of the TOS it's not.

There are a lot of different points that are not exactly mentioned in the ToS since you cant list every single thing in this. For example kicking someone for a different playstyle is allowed, yet this is nowhere seen in the options when you kick the player. Also them saying that selling with profit is forbidden kinda implies that at least that part is against the ToS. At the same time why do people need to sell their house? If you dont want it anymore just wait till the timer is over and one can get back 80% of your Gil. If you want a different house you can have the move feature now and if you just buy it to sell it..well that player is exactly part of the housing problem and should be punished. In the end every time you sell a house just for the initial price the buyer will have to pay at least double the price than normal and also hope that nobody snatches it up until he get it. So if you have no system in the game that allows for an easy selling (like an auction) and you need to do it in the way right now, makes it feel like its not intended to happen that way.

Originally Posted by Alleo

From a reddit thread:
There are a lot of different points that are not exactly mentioned in the ToS since you cant list every single thing in this. For example kicking someone for a different playstyle is allowed, .

This is up to the GM.. I had a friend banned for 2 days for kicking someone in potd..cause as they said there play style wasn't the same 3 wanted speed runs 1 didnt they kicked the 1 and the guy who started the vote got banned for 2 days by a gm for kicking some who wasn't afk lol.... Since theres no differnt play style option you have to lie about the reason you kick which opened it up to the gm choice and since my friend was a hot head he got banned for miss use of the kicking system by lieing