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    how about some speculation?

    So, given that his response is "more wards" while taking in feedback as to how they will be sold, it sounds like they still do not understand the underlying problem:

    1. Not enough housing.
    2. players buying multiple houses per account
    3. Mixed competition between single buyers and FC buyers.

    Which bring me to my first guess: timed releases of wards.

    By spreading out the release, it gives the illusion of players having multiple chances to obtain the same housing in the patch. It sounds better to say "you had 2 weeks to get 1 ward of housing released a day at a time!" than "you had 15 minutes to get 14 wards of housing!" even if the amount of housing available is far smaller, and the competition(and whatever meta tricks said competition would use) likely more rampant. said housing would still be gone in minutes, if not seconds, but there are "chances" to be the lucky person in the time between the seconds.

    It still means that there is not enough housing, and that a lot of servers will only see a few people satisfied, while so many others, fc and person alike, are left out.

    A solution Zenos would be proud of.

    My second guess is they are testing the winds, keeping housing the same mess it is until conditions are favorable and people desperate enough, to put it on the mogstation.

    I hope they do not go this route. It is completely underhanded and I would lose my faith in the company.

    Last guess? Public venues.

    The problem for FCs is that several amenities and activites require having a house. Public versions of the company workshop airship hangar, and possibly a greenhouse for gardening would provide some remedy for the homeless masses.

    It still isn't housing, which FCs talk about when recruiting and is still all in a personal location...
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    Last edited by Kallera; 10-12-2017 at 08:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasala View Post
    One thing that needs to happen is new wards need to be triggered when all current wards fill. Now that you can relocate it means that if later on a ward becomes a ghost town people could move to a more populated ward that has an opening.
    This wouldn't solve the issue of Demand for Medium/Large though as mentioned by another user if they decide to allow any lot to be any size that would fix the demand issue.

    Make Small to Medium/Large cost 8mil/25mil and add it to the value of said land if you choose to move
    Make Medium to Large 15 mil

    The cheaper value is lack of exterior addition as it would only support interior design but it would be better than nothing.

    Hopeful idea would be an implementation of Procedural Wards, dynamic based on the desires of the user, Whenever 1-30 and then 31-60 fill up the Server would generate a unique ward for those houses.

    It would be a 24hr process of ordering the 60 wards aka if 60 didn't fill up in a 24hr time period then it would make that ward and fill in the empty spaces with random housing.

    This would honestly make them wards look more alive but it would take a lot of time to implement properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasala View Post
    One thing that needs to happen is new wards need to be triggered when all current wards fill. Now that you can relocate it means that if later on a ward becomes a ghost town people could move to a more populated ward that has an opening.
    Although this would be the most ideal, it takes up a lot of server space and going from how they have talked about server space in the past they are very tight on it. I don't think they have the resources and budget to keep such an expandable feature which i can understand. They do need to pump in more resource into it though and potentially create checks on the housing situation regularly, to see if they can add more every now and then.

    It looks like the massive uproar has made them realize how passionate players are on the housing front and how much they underestimated its popularity of it and with the growing player-base this game has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oukanna View Post
    Although this would be the most ideal, it takes up a lot of server space and going from how they have talked about server space in the past they are very tight on it. I don't think they have the resources and budget to keep such an expandable feature which i can understand.
    You don't get to celebrate millions of subs worldwide and then say you don't have the budget. While the aforementioned idea is a little unrealistic, the prior concerns of money/resources are no longer excuses.
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    Whilest this is well, and good for every player. The main issue on Balmung, is that people especilly RareX FC. tends to purchase the houseing plots, before others reach them, then later re-sell them on Reddit, to avoid being banned ingame over the party finder. because of this, it causes quite a huge problem On BALMUNG. It is not just limitid to Balmung, but this pretty much happend on most AETHER Datacenter realms. Please understand that we're not ungreatful, but this causes quite a huge dilema for players whom have been saving for long times, to get a house. I do think that Every account should only be able to get 1 house. Not multiple over the same account on said Realm. Because that is what people do, especilly on Balmung. Is that they use alts, to purchase more plots, to keep and then resell. Thank you very much for verifying that we'll get more wards in 4.2 but this needs to be dealt with. Thank you for reading! have a beautiful day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuniko View Post
    I do think that Every account should only be able to get 1 house. Not multiple over the same account on said Realm. Because that is what people do, especilly on Balmung. Is that they use alts, to purchase more plots, to keep and then resell.
    What's to stop someone making 500 different email addresses (plenty free options out there), 500 different Square Enix accounts, and pay the sub fee 500 times a month, just to buy 500 plots anyway? Sure, I'm showcasing an extreme edge case here, but it is a possibility that someone who wants to hoard the housing may have that much disposable income they want to spend on the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    That would literarly be quite idiotic. honestly. Cause if in all honestly, they are so sad they'll make x ammount of emails then pay x ammount of money each month just to hoard houses. That's pretty sad, and pathetic, and i don't think nor see it will happend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuniko View Post
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    There are people that "sad" as you call it with things like that. While I'm putting out an extreme example, there would be people contemplating doing it. If I wanted multiple houses and could afford it, you bet I would do something like that. It's extreme sure, but if I really want something that much, I do whatever it takes (in the pursuit of determination to achieve something I have a history of making myself physically ill from overexertion. Let that sink in for a moment. This should highlight the level of determination and persistence I am talking about). Even if it means extreme examples like the one I listed. I can't be the only person with that mentality. The reason you don't see it happening currently is because it isn't needed, but let's take a more reasonable amount. 8 different emails, 8 service accounts (to match standard sub characters per realm limits). You'd see that happening a lot more if your scenario was implemented as people would simply find ways around the limitations. Wouldn't be everyone, but you'd see a significant uptake in that happening. More money for SE sure, but they're still hoarding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Finally... Hopefully?

    Thank you for the response.

    I am glad to see this however I hope they only make it 1 personal house (I went harder with my opinion once personal housing was released), and 1 FC house per service account, per server and or per Data Center at this point. Apartments should have the ability to be upgraded just incase some would prefer an apartment over a house. If a personal house, it should be shared between your alts and maybe 1 or 2 tenants of your choosing with them having the ability to reset the demolition timer.

    I mainly say the last one because my hubby and I share a house, and the house is in my name, but there are times where I do fall quite ill. So he tends to upkeep it when I'm sick.

    But since the release of housing, even when it was still FC only, we were still on Gilgamesh at the time and there were still instances of people owning multiple houses with "multiple" FC's. Though back then it was a lot more pricey to obtain. This sadly is still a problem to this day, just like people with more alts than a single character owning multiple personal and or FC housing. So if they do change the way the system works, they owner (s) of multiple houses on one account should at least have so many days to choose which personal and or which FC house they want to keep. Though I'm a bit biased on reimbursement for the multiples they owned, but that's probably just me. Then again, I don't typically award (reward) for folk being greedy.

    If they really wanted something else to decorate they could have just gone the route to buy an apartment on their alts. Sure not as much space, but if you've played as long as I have and remembered as much as I do... you'll remember when an FC room was the closest thing you ever had to an apartment space wise, lol.
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    Last edited by Raveykins; 10-12-2017 at 08:37 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    What's to stop someone making 500 different email addresses (plenty free options out there), 500 different Square Enix accounts, and pay the sub fee 500 times a month, just to buy 500 plots anyway?
    If someone has 500 subscriptions (!), that's the same as 500 players with 1 subscription each, what's the difference? They're paying their monthly fee, each service account should be allowed a house. There's also no way they'd be able to log out/in fast enough to buy multiple houses anyway.

    You also wouldn't need 500 different email address. Each Square Enix account lets you have 8 service accounts on it. You can literally login in one set of details and just switch between them using the "data center" option on the main menu. This has been there since at least 2.0, possibly 1.0, but my memory is hazy that far back.
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