Thread: Patch 4.2

Originally Posted by Siniztor

Now see you and 1 other person (keep telling me money dont matter) have this blind paying more means nothing attude and thats fine but if you read my post lest it contains ideas and not just jumping down my throat for your opinion

So in addition to having that obnoxious I pay more than you attitude you're also suffering from reading comprehension problems? I never said that paying more means nothing. In fact, I said something quite opposite - that paying more means you have more rights. Those rights you gain are listed right there when you choose your subscription - the right to create multiple characters on 1 server and the right to have more characters in total. It should be obvious that within those constraints all characters you create can do everything current rules allow them to. What is among the most hotly discussed topics here however is whether what current rules allow is fine or not.

Oh, and I'm going to continue going for your throat (I believe that is what you meant?) as I please, as long as you keep stating your own opinions as facts and as long as things you post have as many holes in them as premium quality swiss cheese. I believe I'm absolutely within my rights to do that. Whether you like it or not.

Originally Posted by Siniztor

So as long as im payng more for more characters i have the right to buy as many houses as i want on my characters as long as i follow the rules

You sound like a broken record with this I broke no rules, I followed the rules approach. Here is the thing though - I'm not arguing that you broke any rules by buying your plots. I agree that you didn't. In fact, majority of people discussing the issue isn't arguing that either. What a lot of players providing feedback (myself included) is arguing however is that current rules are insufficient and should be changed. As it has been pointed out to you before - it would be within rights for SE to apply new rules retroactively, we practically gave them the right to do that when we registered our accounts. I just happen to think they should do it that way if any changes to those rules are to have any proper impact.

However, if you try to argue that you paying a higher subscription should be a reason why current rules must stay as they are or why changes mustn't be applied to you - well, I already covered that in my previous post.

Originally Posted by Siniztor

2 no again i wasnt untill they had to totaly lock down balmug and put in forced log offs that they had to move people off it that the free transfers came into effect.

When Balmung and Gilgamesh were put on lock down, so were 4 JP servers: Bahamut, Chocobo, Mandragora, Shinryu. JP has its own system of congested/standard/preferred worlds, so does EU. Transfer incentives are the same across all 3 markets. What exactly does Balmung have to do with EU and JP, pray tell?

And why the hell are you even brining forced log offs up? They had nothing to do with Balmung either. Servers was suffering from ridiculously long queue times caused log in server bottlenecks and players that avoided being automatically logged out while away from the game for prolonged periods of time. Forced log offs were implemented to help with that, not to scare people away from Balmung.

I know Balmung is the stereotypical hive of scum and villainy, but blaming it for anything here just doesn't make sense.

As for your those ideas of yours - to be fair they're nothing new, concepts like these have been posted here multiple times and debated ad nauesum already, but let me get to them.

Adding 20 new wards is just unlikely to happen and unlikely to be feasible in the first place. I don't like those server limitations they use as excuse as much as the next person, but that doesn't magically cause them to cease their existence. Should SE work towards overcoming those limitations or limiting their influence over game development? Absolutely. But it's not something they can deal with easily or in short time perspective. Plus, adding more wards right now, without changing the rules regarding limits of plots per account per server first is just pointless.

As for the expanded apartments however - apartments in FFXIV have always been a system I couldn't wrap my head around. SE built the entire foundation for instanced housing system only to reduce it to a set of FC private chambers that don't require players to join FCs. Personally I'd be quite satisfied with a fully fledged instanced housing system, especially if balconies were to be part of the same instance as the rest of your apartment. This is something I noticed about Kugane inn room compared to all other inn rooms - it has a window that you can see scenery through and it makes it look so much better. However, there are several problems with instanced housing.

First, the playerbase seems to be split on the idea. Some players consider wards a superior system and wouldn't be happy with an alternative instanced housing could provide. And there are quite a few that have spoken directly against instanced housing as a step back in housing system development for this game.

Second, it's unclear whether instanced housing would solve the matter of server limitations which remains the main obstacle for this game's housing system.

Third, SE don't seem to be keen on the concept of instanced housing at all, as demonstrated by what apartments have been reduced too. What is the reason for that I don't know. I imagine it's possible they simply believe wards are a vastly superior concept. Or instanced housing doesn't solve any of the problems they're struggling with already. Either way, I'm not sure the general feedback regarding instanced housing is strong enough to convince them.

And finally, a proper, fully fledged instanced housing system would take time to develop. Likely far beyond the time perspective of 4.2. With the shitshow of a state housing is right now after 4.1 certain solutions need to come sooner than that.

And Yet as i stated you offer no type ideas in fact , everyone should read all 9 of your post cause all 9 are the same thing you attacking other peoples ideas or comments lol What is it people call others on the internet who dont add ideas to a topic just rip into other peoples ideas all time hmmmm

Originally Posted by Siniztor

And Yet as i stated you offer no type ideas in fact , everyone should read all 9 of your post cause all 9 are the same thing you attacking other peoples ideas or comments lol What is it people call others on the internet who dont add ideas to a topic just rip into other peoples ideas all time hmmmm

Try a person participating in a discussion on a matter of interest. Or a person providing criticism towards views and ideas that are being shared. Maybe a person supporting his or her own views on the matter of interest. As much as you'd like to label me as a troll I'm not one. Don't blame your fragile ego, poor arguments or inability to defend your views on other people being trolls.

You also don't seem to understand what playerbase feedback is if you think that providing criticism and voicing opinion isn't part of it. But just for you, I've compiled a list of my views and opinions on the matters regarding housing that I have presented by posting here. Just in case you may want to bring my post history up again in the future. A bold move to undermined my credibility by the way, for someone whose goal in posting is primarily to remind everyone that he's paying a higher sub, has never broken any rules and will consider himself punished if SE does anything in regards to housing system rules that doesn't align with his wishes.

• I'm in favor introducing a limit of 1 plot per account per server.
• I'm in favor of such a change having retroactive effect in order for it to have proper impact.
• I claim that SE are within their rights to change rules and make changes retroactively effective based on documents accepted by all registered players.
• I believe SE should approach the matter with the needs of many outweighing needs of a few mindset for reasons I've specified in my posts.

Furthermore, beyond the matter of rules and changes to them:

• I strongly disagree with the idea that some players being more deserving to own houses on the basis of their devotion to decorating or anything else.
• I believe that owning a house shouldn't be an achievement by itself and owning a house doesn't have anything to do with the notion of earning something due to the current housing system being a lottery more than anything else.
• I'm in favor of instanced housing but recognize issues such a concept has. I also recognize that SE are likely not interested in such a solution.
• It is my opinion that regardless of any major housing system overhauls changes to improve housing availability are needed in 4.2 at the latest.
• I retain the right to dispute points and claims made by other users that I don't agree with in order to provide sufficient counter-feedback.
• I remain committed to calling people out on their bullshit and pointing out falsehoods and misinterpretations.

I'd put the entire thing in my signature. Alas, it is too long.

Originally Posted by Mithia

The benefits of a higher sub are there already, no need to feel entitled to more because you add a few extra euro's to it. Under that pretext regular mogstation clients should also feel entitled to more or the ones who have more retainers as they provide more funds to SE as well.

Now, I do not think that a house should be limited to one account, I am thinking from an RP PoV now where every character is a different persona. One may opt to be a wanderer with no roof above his/her head but at the same time there are some who wish to be a restaurant owner with the appropriate interior while there are some persona who suit a cozy house more... and then there are of course the ones who prefer a castle!

Let the prestige of a house remain, open some new wards but let a house still be something that gives something special to an owner or FC. Rather introduce a way to prevent house snatching at the start, add an open auction of a week where gill is the only criteria to obtain one. Then add a system where you can trade house rights or have the option of a caretaker who can prevent the demolishing action when you plan to go on an extended holiday. (you can set a timer on the caretaker, hell I wouldn't even mind to see this appear in the mogstation)

Thats all im saying is there is two differnt subs the higher has the benefit of have 8 characters and as Se has stated Each character can buy a house as it stands in the land rules posted in the patch notes.

The Rp thing if you read back through my post i've said is the reason i own 3 houses..My dragon has dark taste, my female kitty has differnt taste and my male kitty has well a stripper stage lol

I honestly don't understand the logic behind "Large/Medium should be FC only". The logic being.... what? That you need more space because...more people? There isn't some arbitrary limit to how many people can fit in any size housing and how often do most FC's have so many people in the house that a small would feel like not enough room? Honestly..?

Airships get no extra benefits from being on a larger estate. You can argue gardens but let us be entirely honest here. How many FC's allow their members free reign of the gardens? How many actually split the profits with their members? All members? Not many, especially not large ones. I have personally never been in an FC that didn't just share the spoils among a select few while the rest might as well have not existed. As well, how many FC's allow their members to help decorate? From my experience, only one or maybe a small group of people are generally allowed to do that.

So tell me again why medium/large homes should be restricted to FC's only...? Why should only the select, 'elite' few who own an FC be able to have access to 3 gardening plots when you know darn well that 90% of those people won't share them? And be able to decorate a larger space that they won't allow others to help with (or that no one will decorate and it will remain pretty barren because FC leader doesn't want to do it and no member wants to put in the gil and hard work when you have little control over what happens with the house in the future)? This is a great way to make people leave FC's and make their own, though.

Probably going to have people getting angry over this post, but honestly. Really. How many FC's actually share these features with everyone?

If you have the money, you should be able to buy the house, imo. I do, however, think there is a problem with how lacking the availability is. WHY are there so few mediums/larges when those are the most desirable? This needs to be adjusted. Or give an instanced housing option. Make apartments better. Larger. Open to FC's. Complete with FC rooms and an airship + gardening. Ughhhh, why SE. WHY.