Restrict Personal Houses to 1 Per Server!

[Almagnus1]

The only ones that are the problem are the people who think for some reason its fair to punish those who did nothing wrong and take from.. i pay my sub just like you not my fault your on a higher pop server and didnt move pre free rides for a house cause we had plenty of houses for you

Yeah, you know how many times I've heard that "You don't pay my sub" from healers that don't DPS? Doesn't fly for an excuse there, won't fly here. Especially when we both have the same sub type.

As much as you want to try and talk your way out of it, you are exploiting a SE screw up in the housing system that never should have allowed a single account to have more than one personal house on any given server.

Now if they do indeed change it to one house per account so be it, but rightfully you cant punish people who did nothing wrong we followed the rules set in front of us.

When the rules are fundamentally broken, the rules need to change. Players need a grace period to adapt to them, but everyone should be forced onto the new system.

That includes having all excess personal houses stripped from the player if they do not willingly release them before SE forces the issue.

[Siniztor]

Yeah, you know how many times I've heard that "You don't pay my sub" from healers that don't DPS? Doesn't fly for an excuse there, won't fly here. Especially when we both have the same sub type.

As much as you want to try and talk your way out of it, you are exploiting a SE screw up in the housing system that never should have allowed a single account to have more than one personal house on any given server.



When the rules are fundamentally broken, the rules need to change..

Im sorry but that is your opinion..The FACT is as it stands right now the rules state as long as you meet the requirments you can buy a house with alts. The FACTS are i followed rules set in front of me i did nothing wrong i did not explot in any way shape or form.. you may think SEs rule is broken and that is fine but just cause YOU THINK that dose not equal me or anyone else breaking the tos and exploting in any way..

As ive said many times before im fine if they wanna change the rules now to one per account. but you cant punish those who didntt break your rules we followed your rules and did nothing wrong. takeing away from people who broke no rules id wrong

[Almagnus1]

As ive said many times before im fine if they wanna change the rules now to one per account. but you cant punish those who didntt break your rules we followed your rules and did nothing wrong. takeing away from people who broke no rules id wrong

SE should change the rules on housing.

However, if they change the rules to disallow acquiring more personal properties if you already have one personal property, SE needs to make that change retroactive or it solves nothing.

IMO SE needs to deal with the land barons and house flipping market by any means necessary. Anything less will never resolve the housing issues, and only cause more contention in the player base. There is very much a case where it's better to lose a few fingers than the whole hand.

[worldofneil]

Clearly there's a lot of personal opinions here, but whether people like it or not (quite clearly not in some cases), SE sells a subscription plan that allows players to have up to 8 characters. Yes you only need 1 character, but it is a fact that they sell an 8-character package and each of those characters has the same rights/abilities. If someone wants to spend their time and effort to level those characters to get a house, they can. If SE didn't want players to use other characters to buy houses they could have put that in. Should they have? Maybe, they didn't.

Also SE have made multiple major changes to the housing and at no point have they tried to place restrictions on how many characters can own property:

Initial FC housing: 2.1
Personal housing: 2.38
Subdivisions: 2.4
Wards 9-12 (and subdivisions): 3.3
Shirogane: 4.1

Despite people saying that players are using the system in ways that weren't intended, given the amount of housing updates where SE *hasn't* changed things, clearly it *IS* working as they intended.

If you look at any of the XIV subscription information SE has published, there are no distinctions at all between the first character and the additional seven. They all have the same rights/privileges. Because no restrictions are made, it's not unreasonable for someone to want to use their subscription to get maximum value out of it and clearly SE recognises this.

If they want to change it to only one house per service account I have no problem with that, but they need to grandfather in any existing houses. I don't personally think it'll make much difference though as I don't believe there's not many people with multiple houses, but we can only speculate, only SE knows those figures.

But even if they were to restrict personal houses to 1 per service account/per server, it would just drive people who want multiple houses to making single character FCs instead which are not so easy to restrict. As everyone likely knows, FC houses are "owned" by whoever is currently the leader of the free company and this can change. Either because someone willingly needed to promote someone (taking a break, putting someone else in charge?) or it happens involuntarily where the leader is offline for 35-days and it jumps to the next active person on the hierarchy. To restrict this would require changing parts of how FCs actually work right now.

And if you start requiring a minimum membership amount for FCs, you penalise actual very small FCs (2-3 friends) and the "fake" FCs people would just get their friends to create an alt, stick it in their FC and forget about it.

The only real solution here seems to be that we need considerably more wards so that there is more supply than demand.

[Almagnus1]

But even if they were to restrict personal houses to 1 per service account/per server, it would just drive people who want multiple houses to making single character FCs instead which are not so easy to restrict.

Yet that change would reduce maximum capacity from 16 houses per account per server down to 9 houses per account per server. That capacity adjustment is what I'm after.

The only real solution here seems to be that we need considerably more wards so that there is more supply than demand.

That's part of the solution, but without adjusting the capacity side of things, then all SE is going to do is give houses to the land barons.

The point of this thread is to effect changes that will help prevent another Shirogane, where people are like "YAY! NEW NEIGHBORHOOD!", and then find out the entire thing is gone within half an hour, and any new houses that entered the market are gone in about as much time.

[Abelfei]

Yet that change would reduce maximum capacity from 16 houses per account per server down to 9 houses per account per server. That capacity adjustment is what I'm after.



That's part of the solution, but without adjusting the capacity side of things, then all SE is going to do is give houses to the land barons.

The point of this thread is to effect changes that will help prevent another Shirogane, where people are like "YAY! NEW NEIGHBORHOOD!", and then find out the entire thing is gone within half an hour, and any new houses that entered the market are gone in about as much time.

Prevent another Shirogane? What was bad about it? Youre only mad cause you didnt get one. The process is fine, the fact is FFXIV is popular, and so is housing. Earn it, get lucky, but dont complain.

[Almagnus1]

Prevent another Shirogane? What was bad about it? Youre only mad cause you didnt get one. The process is fine, the fact is FFXIV is popular, and so is housing. Earn it, get lucky, but dont complain.

Please visit https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXIVhousingmarket/ and count the number of Shirogane land plots up for sale, which is now up to 7 on the front page at the time of writing.

That's seven players (and/or FCs) that didn't get a house because the house flippers decided their profit was more important than someone getting a property in the new neighborhood.

There is nothing right about that.

[Siniztor]

Please visit https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXIVhousingmarket/ and count the number of Shirogane land plots up for sale, which is now up to 7 on the front page at the time of writing.

That's seven players (and/or FCs) that didn't get a house because the house flippers decided their profit was more important than someone getting a property in the new neighborhood.

There is nothing right about that.

I hate house flippers just as much as the people who buy from them..but really your argument that shirogane went bad seems petty like he said you didnt get a house you mad, you argue there is 7 houses for sale hmm lets try math 720 houses in Shirogane 66 servers (counted off the wikki)... 720 x 66 = 47,520 houses were released..out of that 7 are forsale. 7 out of 47,520

Dosent seem the problem is mass buying or mass selling its shortage of houses period..you keep bringing up people owning 16 houses. ive only heard of the mathus people im sure there might be 1 or two more who own whole wards. but multi house owners seem to own 2-3 houses so taken them is only gonna free up maybe 100 if you lucky on a server thats not a fix or help lol we need 50-100 more wards if they wanna keep housing in wards or instance them

Dont miss the bold type i think anyone who sells a house for profit or buys a house from a flipper should be banned permently..im just saying the problem with shir realse wasnt fippers it was the lack of the new houseing ward period

[Abelfei]

They earned the right to buy them, if you didn't get one, it's because you were too slow or couldn't compete with their gil. Why should you get a house for putting in less work and time then people that got them? Nothing is stopping you from buying and flipping either. And no, I did not get a house at Shirogane and no I do not flip houses. I reiterate, if housing is so important to you, find a way to get competitive with people who obviously want them more than you do. Bottom line is, in order to get a house, you have to be rich, timely, smart, crafty, saavy etc. You're not just going to get handed one.

[Penthea]

They earned the right to buy them, if you didn't get one, it's because you were too slow or couldn't compete with their gil. Why should you get a house for putting in less work and time then people that got them?

Less work? Do you not know loads of people didn't get houses because of server queues, lobby errors, the patch not downloading and the launcher having errors? God it's so patronising when people say "you obviously didn't work hard enough" when several issues outside of a player's power affect their chances to even log in.

Nothing is stopping you from buying and flipping either.

Not even the fact that it's against the terms of use and if you're caught you could get banned or even lose your account?

Bottom line is, in order to get a house, you have to be rich, timely, smart, crafty, saavy etc.

Yes because having all those traits magically makes lobby, server and launcher errors disappear.