Restrict Personal Houses to 1 Per Server!

[Almagnus1]

I pay extra for 8 chars. my 8 chars should have all the rights the person paying for 1 char.

You know what, I have that same sub too, and I STRONGLY disagree with your selfish stance.

IMO, all accounts should have exactly one personal house per server. Any more is an abuse of the system.

If they wanna change the rules now fine so be it. but you cant take away the houses people worked hard for who broke no rules that is not fair just because people took a free ride and didnt get a house...

No, SE should take action to correct their mistake, and if you get screwed in the process, so be it.

You're part of the problem here, NOT the solution.

[Siniztor]

You know what, I have that same sub too, and I STRONGLY disagree with your selfish stance.

IMO, all accounts should have exactly one personal house per server. Any more is an abuse of the system.



No, SE should take action to correct their mistake, and if you get screwed in the process, so be it.

You're part of the problem here, NOT the solution.

It is not abuse of the system lol that so funny.. i didn't bend any rules use any loop holes to get my houses..In fact i followed the rules i leveled my alts up to 50 beat the story (not required but i did) leveled my grand company and bought them deco each house to max items.
now my server as i sat with my houses had any where from 200-400 at the peek empty plots after i had mine for over a year.. no one was hurting for houses till the "free riders" came in with there free transfers..in less then 48 hours 218 (yes i counted them in all 3 wards the night before) houses sold due to free transfers and we got q's to login yea us.. im not part of any problem i followed the rules heck i even paid real life cash to move to a place to have houses SE took my money for sure..I didnt take a free ride in hopes of gettin a house.

The only ones that are the problem are the people who think for some reason its fair to punish those who did nothing wrong and take from.. i pay my sub just like you not my fault your on a higher pop server and didnt move pre free rides for a house cause we had plenty of houses for you

Now if they do indeed change it to one house per account so be it, but rightfully you cant punish people who did nothing wrong we followed the rules set in front of us. If in any way we broke a rule i could see it but i didn't break any rules to get my houses

I took away from no one there was plenty of houses open untill SE got enough money form all those transfers into balmug and had to close it lol you want talk about greed talk about SE closing char creation yet allowing thousands of people to transfer in via paying to the point they had to come up with this free transfer junk

[Almagnus1]

The only ones that are the problem are the people who think for some reason its fair to punish those who did nothing wrong and take from.. i pay my sub just like you not my fault your on a higher pop server and didnt move pre free rides for a house cause we had plenty of houses for you

Yeah, you know how many times I've heard that "You don't pay my sub" from healers that don't DPS? Doesn't fly for an excuse there, won't fly here. Especially when we both have the same sub type.

As much as you want to try and talk your way out of it, you are exploiting a SE screw up in the housing system that never should have allowed a single account to have more than one personal house on any given server.

Now if they do indeed change it to one house per account so be it, but rightfully you cant punish people who did nothing wrong we followed the rules set in front of us.

When the rules are fundamentally broken, the rules need to change. Players need a grace period to adapt to them, but everyone should be forced onto the new system.

That includes having all excess personal houses stripped from the player if they do not willingly release them before SE forces the issue.

[Siniztor]

Yeah, you know how many times I've heard that "You don't pay my sub" from healers that don't DPS? Doesn't fly for an excuse there, won't fly here. Especially when we both have the same sub type.

As much as you want to try and talk your way out of it, you are exploiting a SE screw up in the housing system that never should have allowed a single account to have more than one personal house on any given server.



When the rules are fundamentally broken, the rules need to change..

Im sorry but that is your opinion..The FACT is as it stands right now the rules state as long as you meet the requirments you can buy a house with alts. The FACTS are i followed rules set in front of me i did nothing wrong i did not explot in any way shape or form.. you may think SEs rule is broken and that is fine but just cause YOU THINK that dose not equal me or anyone else breaking the tos and exploting in any way..

As ive said many times before im fine if they wanna change the rules now to one per account. but you cant punish those who didntt break your rules we followed your rules and did nothing wrong. takeing away from people who broke no rules id wrong

[worldofneil]

Clearly there's a lot of personal opinions here, but whether people like it or not (quite clearly not in some cases), SE sells a subscription plan that allows players to have up to 8 characters. Yes you only need 1 character, but it is a fact that they sell an 8-character package and each of those characters has the same rights/abilities. If someone wants to spend their time and effort to level those characters to get a house, they can. If SE didn't want players to use other characters to buy houses they could have put that in. Should they have? Maybe, they didn't.

Also SE have made multiple major changes to the housing and at no point have they tried to place restrictions on how many characters can own property:

Initial FC housing: 2.1
Personal housing: 2.38
Subdivisions: 2.4
Wards 9-12 (and subdivisions): 3.3
Shirogane: 4.1

Despite people saying that players are using the system in ways that weren't intended, given the amount of housing updates where SE *hasn't* changed things, clearly it *IS* working as they intended.

If you look at any of the XIV subscription information SE has published, there are no distinctions at all between the first character and the additional seven. They all have the same rights/privileges. Because no restrictions are made, it's not unreasonable for someone to want to use their subscription to get maximum value out of it and clearly SE recognises this.

If they want to change it to only one house per service account I have no problem with that, but they need to grandfather in any existing houses. I don't personally think it'll make much difference though as I don't believe there's not many people with multiple houses, but we can only speculate, only SE knows those figures.

But even if they were to restrict personal houses to 1 per service account/per server, it would just drive people who want multiple houses to making single character FCs instead which are not so easy to restrict. As everyone likely knows, FC houses are "owned" by whoever is currently the leader of the free company and this can change. Either because someone willingly needed to promote someone (taking a break, putting someone else in charge?) or it happens involuntarily where the leader is offline for 35-days and it jumps to the next active person on the hierarchy. To restrict this would require changing parts of how FCs actually work right now.

And if you start requiring a minimum membership amount for FCs, you penalise actual very small FCs (2-3 friends) and the "fake" FCs people would just get their friends to create an alt, stick it in their FC and forget about it.

The only real solution here seems to be that we need considerably more wards so that there is more supply than demand.

[Gnorok]

You know what, I have that same sub too, and I STRONGLY disagree with your selfish stance.

IMO, all accounts should have exactly one personal house per server. Any more is an abuse of the system.



No, SE should take action to correct their mistake, and if you get screwed in the process, so be it.

You're part of the problem here, NOT the solution.

Or SE could just use a bit of the money they earn with FF14 to provide sufficient wards without screwing anyone. Problem solved.

[Almagnus1]

Or SE could just use a bit of the money they earn with FF14 to provide sufficient wards without screwing anyone. Problem solved.

Except anyone with half a brain knows that more wards by themselves isn't going to solve the issue - as all more wards is going to do is give land barons more properties.

The problem is a shortage of housing aggravated by account housing capacity being too high per server.

[Searban]

I pay extra for 8 chars. my 8 chars should have all the rights the person paying for 1 char.

Bringig your sub up isn't an angle that is going to work well for you.

You're paying 15$ a month and keep ownership of 3 plots. 2 players that could otherwise use 2 out of those 3 plots are paying 13$ each, so a combined of 26$. Even if you were to quit the game over this issue, another paying would take your last plot over, bringing that total to 39$. Business-wise in a subscrition based MMO needs of many will always outweight needs of the few.

Your claim that each of your characters should have the same rights as a character people pay 13$ a month for because you pay 15$ for them all (13 for 1 and 2 for all others combined) isn't much better.

TL: DR Don't bring money into this discussion because you're hurting your own case.

And the bit about retainers is a poorly constructed strawman as well as an attempt at fearmongering. You should feel bad.

[RayneLittlewinkle]

I do agree to having it as one character per server. I have a alt on Gilgamesh and a alt on mateus. They both own just one house. I think ONE house per server is reasonable. And if we have alts all on one server. In my case my main is on Balmung along with two alts. While I'd never try to get a home for my alts k. Balmung having them as a tenant would be nice. Heck I don't even have apartments on them. Cause I'm wanting other people to get one. ( Even though Balmung have apartments open all the time)

[Serret]

There needs to be an account restriction on the acquisitions of houses going forward. This much is obvious.

While I do agree that people who own multiple houses in their accounts were in their full right, in doing so they are preventing other players from accessing this feature as the game is designed right now. This is unfair.

That being said, I don't think S-E should remove houses from people who already multiple of them in their accounts. At least not without some kind of compensation.
What they can do however is implement whatever restrictions they wish, so long as it doesn't have retroactive effects. I think this would please both sides of the ordeal.


Personally, I don't see why an account should own multiple houses. But I'm not the one dictating the rules.
Even those who are holding houses for friends\family who don't subscribe as often are preventing actual active subscribers from actively owning a house.
And even for RP purposes it's excessive.