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    Marie Somn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    ...And the GMs have been shown to be ineffective at resolving the issue, so all that's left is changing the rules and mechanics. If you've got a better solution (that doesn't involved the ineffective GMs) I'm all ears.
    As already mentioned many times in many threads: Put in a random timer between relinquishing a plot and when it´s available on the market again.

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    Provide sufficient wards that everone who wants to buy a house can buy one.
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    100% agree, and have stated feelings like this in the 4.2 thread. Thank you so much!
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    Even as an FC leader I'd be okay with one house per account. It is quite literally ridiculous that people own multiple houses and aren't punished for it. Has SE made any reply to this issue yet?
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    Eydran Seigward
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    Instanced housing is a great idea, and its a matter of servers that is holding SE back from doing this. How many more do they need, how much time do they really need to spend on it, and is it really worthwhile or should they focus the resources to necessary game fixes/additions? Regardless of how much someone uses their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th house they should NOT be punished for it unless they're breaking ToS to get said houses. It doesn't matter how many houses someone owns if it was allowed to happen through normal means of playing they have every right to buy up as many plots as they want. Is it a morally good thing to do considering the situation housing is in right now? Not really, but you can't hold it against someone for playing the game how they want to play it within the rules of the game.
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    This won't fix the issue in the slightest, there are still way more players than their are available housing and then you gotta include FCs.
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    Hyomin Park
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    I highly doubt that the developers wanted players to purchase 20 or more houses just for themselves or their alts. So your argument kind of falls apart there.

    Will add more later; on mobile.
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    Maley Oakensage
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    I'm not denying that we have a supply issue, as IMO we really do need at least another two wards per neighborhood. I'm not going to dispute more wards as it's part of the solution.

    However, people absorbing more than 2 houses per account (personal and FC) are an aggravating factor to the housing shortage, and for that reason, I am suggesting that we limit the number of personal houses an account can own down to one.

    As someone else mentioned, SE is mathematically fine to make the land barons mad because at least one other person will benefit from it, so even at two houses/baron, the population benefits.

    Also, there needs to be a random timer between 1-24 hours after a property is released, and one that does not tell **ANYONE** how much time is left. This change alone would completely destroy the house flipping market.

    The other issue that needs to be addressed is the one person shell FC that has a house, but that's a subject for a different thread entirely - as any attempt to resolve that issue WILL cause side effects.
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    honestly enough i think this is the solution they need to go with, though i'd say to go one step further and add a rule that if you make an fc, all of your other characters on the server gets placed into it or are prevented from making/joining and removed from other fcs and the fc needs 10 or more unique characters (basically 10 different service accounts) before you can build an fc building, also adding a watered down version of airships/workshop for non fc houses probably would be nice. it would certainly help more people get a chance at housing in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lokowoko View Post
    honestly enough i think this is the solution they need to go with, though i'd say to go one step further and add a rule that if you make an fc, all of your other characters on the server gets placed into it or are prevented from making/joining and removed from other fcs and the fc needs 10 or more unique characters (basically 10 different service accounts) before you can build an fc building, also adding a watered down version of airships/workshop for non fc houses probably would be nice. it would certainly help more people get a chance at housing in my opinion.
    IMO it'd be simpler just enforcing a minimum player requirement with a disband meter that fills when an FC is below the meter, and depletes when the FC is at or above the requirement, so someone is forced to be at the safe level as often as they are below it, or risk having their FC disbanded when the disband meter fills after about 30 days of being below the requirement.

    That change alone would completely and totally halt the FC side of this issue - but like any of the suggested changes to address the FC side of things it's going to cause collateral damage and screw over people that aren't land barons because the land barons have abused the system.
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by lokowoko View Post
    honestly enough i think this is the solution they need to go with, though i'd say to go one step further and add a rule that if you make an fc, all of your other characters on the server gets placed into it or are prevented from making/joining and removed from other fcs and the fc needs 10 or more unique characters (basically 10 different service accounts) before you can build an fc building, also adding a watered down version of airships/workshop for non fc houses probably would be nice. it would certainly help more people get a chance at housing in my opinion.
    I don’t really think that enforcing FC restrictions would be the best idea when it came to purchasing FC plots. Because, for one, some people would just pay others to be in their FC long enough to guarantee the purchase of a plot before kicking them out, but also because there are a lot of smaller but extremely active FCs out there. My first FC was one of the largest ones on my server (well, from what I’ve heard, it’s shrunk since I was in it but it was fairly large back when I first joined it). I didn’t like the large FC feel, so my second one was a group of 6 people (all IRL friends), and we were all on every single day doing content. The FC was small—just our mains and a couple alts, but we were just as active as larger FCs. My current FC that I am the master of is comprised of even less individuals, but we are all active on our mains (and, again, we are all IRL friends, and not just friends inside of FFXIV). Restricting smaller FCs isn’t really the way to go, because some people just want to be in an FC with their personal friends and not a large one. Everyone should have a fair shot at housing—that is what I firmly believe, even though I know “fair shot” is virtually impossible with the current system.

    There just has to be a better way, and I think the Devs should honestly consider separating the wards in a way that one part is FC housing and another personal, or converting the 12 wards into FC housing, while adding a 13th ward that is all completely instanced plots (exterior yards and interiors) for personal housing only.
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