We are heading in the right direction. Thanks to the team!
We are heading in the right direction. Thanks to the team!


Dark Knigth needs Scourge back and not much more. Mitigation is not a problem. You can use The Blackest Nigth every 15 seconds if you want. It has the quickest defensive CD ever, making posible combine with he others CDs all the time. It has more mitigation than Warrior and is very close to Paladin.



Tried out SMN myself in the new dungeon last night (Skalla), and it feels pretty good now. Devotion change is A+, button consolidation via replacing Ruin with Ruin III and the mobility buffs under DWT are excellent, and a spammable AOE to make roulettes go faster is the tits.
Further suggestions: Ruin IV proc replace Ruin III button as well, having to watch the UI for procs kinda sucks. Demi-Bahamut really needs to be stationary, he has 100 range for god's sake he doesn't need to hug my butt constantly. Wyrmwave encouraging me to use Addle randomly doesn't feel good and it would be nice if Wave wasn't based on jamming as many actions as possible into Bahamut window, but instead just a set number of uses or something.
I'm indifferent on the "let us use Aetherflow moves under DWT" request, but if the devs were to change that I know it's make a lot of other SMNs happy.
I think SMN is in an awesome spot right now in terms of gameplay! It just needs some extra little QoL fixes like pet responsiveness and it's golden.
I like changes. The buff to tri-bind is something I've wanted for a long time.
All I need now is for Trail and Flow stacks to be separate again so I can refresh Aetherflow before going into trance like 3.0
Really liking it.
I'd say Bahamut still needs some love. Otherwise the changes flow really well and I think they did a really good job of listening to our feedback.
Hopefully the rest of the forum won't run at us with pitchforks if we ask for one more thing and that's for Bahamut to stop following us like a hurt puppy! Aaaand maybe make W. Wave an auto attack because it just doesn't FEEL very good. :]
Edit: also please give aetherflow fat finger immunity i.e grey it out when trance is available. Do it in PvP too. Esp. PvP lol
Last edited by RydiaFey; 10-13-2017 at 04:14 AM.

Adding my support to the OP's comments. Summoner has been my main since I started the game a long time ago, and I have never abandoned it. It feels very rewarding now.
I love the changes, it's just that they haven't fixed the rest of the (and more important) major problems which is Demi-Bahamut following you around, Wyrmwave making you use Addle and waiting for Aetherflow for maximum damage, and that the job is still punishing by accidentally pressing Aetherflow when you have Aethertrail Attunement, which discards the Aetherflow stacks and then how you can lose 2 of your Dreadwyrm Aether stacks on death which takes 2 or more minutes to achieve.
Personally I am fine with Dreadwyrm Trance locking Aetherflow abilities.
So far the changes are great, it feels better to play than before and my favorite one is probably Tri-Bind.
I hope more good changes come in the next patch.



I'm still not happy with it, but I'll put that aside to at least say these were a step in the right direction. I hope that this is only the first of what's to come, and that SE continues to fix their design and numbers going forward.
Petition Thread for "Playable Loporrits": https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/436512-Make-them-Playable-You-Cowards
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Agree with Grimoire-M and Dinnertime's general sense that things are somewhat better but should not stop where they are now.
Imo smn is certainly not in the best place is ever been, (not at all...) and they still need to tweak the job to become even as enjoyable as it was before and useful dps wise.
Will keep it hung up for now but definately hope they continue to fix the job and add adjustments to make smn fun and still rewarding/useful again.
keep up the good changes SE!!![]()
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