Quote Originally Posted by Hestzhyen View Post
24-man raids should be challenging. I have no problem with them being slightly overtuned to be honest, it's purely selfish but I don't mind the SE tacitly telling everyone to improve a little. Vast majority of the mechanics have been seen before, just have different indicators (look away, don't stack, don't stand in this area, etc.). Anyone who can think beyond one step can see what to do on the last boss when they get the demon face too.

I'm in that awkward position where I can farm O3S comfortably but haven't cleared O4S... I was hoping for Dun Scaith levels of challenge for the 24-man in an ideal world. It takes a lot of wipes to clear on day one which is good for me. I don't mind wiping as long as the group improves on each attempt.
Mind you I don't think it's super challenging, but there is no reason for it to be really. There are 24 people. You want to make challenging 8 person content go for it, but with that many people it just takes a handful to fuck things up. That was the real issue with Ozma. ONE person could wipe the whole damn thing. That's shit right there.