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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
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    I get what you're saying for sure and I don't feel like anything you've said has been close to an attack on healers, for whatever that's worth. I could 100% agree with a statement like "Healers can often be the easiest role" or "Healers are the easiest role mechanically" because both offer qualifiers either to the specificity of in what capacity healers have it easy or that it is not always a walk in the park as a healer.

    I also realize this is arguing semantics which I totally don't want to do with you, I respect you a ton for your contributions to this forum and I mostly just wanted to toss my two cents in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlunarfox View Post
    I was going to comment in a negative light against your comments, then I noticed you have scholar listed by your picture. Scholar is by far the EASIEST healer to play. The others do tend to take some more skill. And I main a Scholar myself. But i do agree with your last statement. They are less complicated (more or less) since they have a greater role. But I also main Warrior, and while I find it easy, others will find it less so. So it all depends on the player. What you think is easy, others will think difficult at one time or another. *shrugs*
    I actually main AST for Savage, but I play all 3 healers in lvl 70 content. I usually play WHM for dungeons, so SCH has ironically become my least-used healer in 4.x.

    Also, I would suggest that WHM remains the easiest healer to play due to how straightforward and powerful it is. Players who manage CDs and resources poorly tend to struggle with SCH as soon as any real difficulty arises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
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    Debate over semantics is what keeps the forums alive All good!
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    Trust me. Nobody wants me playing healer! I'm an amazing tank, good dps, and absolutely horrendous healer. I can't place my finger on why, but if I heal people will die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    ...timing, positioning, and so forth are vitally important to healing. Among other things.
    He said timers, not timing. Timing is something every job has to deal with, so it can't really be applied to healers specifically. As for positioning, not sure I agree with you there. I stand close enough to the boss/middle and that's about it. Literally only have to move for mechanics (again, like every other job) and nothing else. DPS jobs have actual positionals and tanks do whatever tanks do.

    I agree with the point that healing in execution is far easier than the other roles. We literally have 3 DPS buttons, don't even have to worry about Cleric anymore and our heals are ...heals. In the case that we make a mistake, we often have emergencies to rectify them, no other role can do that. In execution it's easy, in everything else you can argue that it's one of the more tougher roles.
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    I mean, yeah, on paper healing always looks simple. Push one of these buttons to heal people, or one of these to shield for an upcoming attack, etc. Not just in XIV but in any game. In concept, it's straightforward.

    The devil is in the details.

    Admittedly, under ideal circumstances -- say, an overgeared tank doing single dungeon pulls -- that is pretty easy (and boring), yes. But I'm not really sure where you'd get the execution is easy part -- that's the harder part, especially when you're GCD choked and adding movement mechanics on top of that.

    Unless, of course, you're only talking dungeons or other content where most healer abilities are unneeded anyways... Yes, that kind of stuff you can cruise control through.

    (And as a technical point, healers do have plenty of timers too. Yes it's not "maintain this buff to do +X% DPS", of course it's not.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
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    I agree with all of that, but I guess our definitions of execution are different. I see what you're saying as planning and coordination, whereas the actual execution part for me is just using the abilities. Unlike DPS, we don't have rotations or positionals to hit, so in terms of that I feel like the healer execution is by far easiest. Now the rest of the job I can agree is a lot more difficult than most give us credit for
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  8. #38
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    Omi Senu
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    I started playing healer in another MMORPG before I found FFXIV. Mainly because 1) I am terrible at dps rotations and 2) tanks need to know where to go in dozens of instances, exactly when to turn a boss 10 degrees to the left, etc. Also because I was in a group with a healer who soloed a mini-boss after the other three of us wiped to its surprise attack. And lastly because I like the idea of healing in games that focus so much on death and maiming and violence of all stripes.

    I started this game in spring 2016, so, halfway through Heavensward or a little beyond half? Loved this game. Looked for the healer's healer job and loved WHM. Then tried SCH and loved it even more. Avoided AST because I didn't know enough about other jobs to pick and use cards effectively. Yet stuff gets in the way, and my total playtime for FFXIV is still low, and every time I go away I feel like a noob coming back because I never really got it all 100% the last time I was here so I lose more than a step. I've tried all the healers in 4.x and have now shyed away from SCH after 4.0 play. But even for WHM I seem to feel pretty weak as a player. I have a hard time keeping up in anything Bardam or above when tanks pull big.

    I agree that even if you see it as just a game, you can feel lots of pressure to do well and do right by the other players by giving a great performance. I know I flub more than I would like, and when someone feels the need to "LOL you suck healer" at the end of the run right before they exit a dungeon (have gotten that twice since SB started) it does make me wonder if I am cut out for the role. Not because I let it get under my skin, and not because I don't know the net is full of immature ("I only see things my way and care about what I want") and insecure ("I've gotta make everyone else miserable with my play and in my words to feel better, hue hue hue") people, but because I know I did make a mistake or I didn't perform up to what other healers can do.

    But, if I know I tried my best, I make peace with that. When I actually do well, it's amazing. And even screwing up is fine with a cool DF group (yes, 99.9% of my runs are me and three to twenty-three strangers). My fav so far is right after early access ended and I was still trying to clear Menagerie with pug groups from DF. Every group was full of great people but it was always a bust. Then, that Friday, a new group. We wiped what, once, maybe twice, and were getting there but suddenly it was just me and a tank who was taking his last few hits. I never use LB, but I thought of it then, got it off right before I died. Everyone else was up and down goes the boss as I'm laying there. Best. deathscene. ever.
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    Last edited by tinythinker; 10-17-2017 at 12:13 PM. Reason: edited for length

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinythinker View Post
    ...but because I know I did make a mistake...
    Aww, a little off topic but you sound really pleasant and I hope you stick with WHM if it's what you enjoy the most. That little snippet above is why I think you'll go far if you invest time in the job. That kind of mindset is what makes good players, it's the stubborn ones who refuse to learn that end up staying trash forever.

    Rectify mistakes as well as you can and stick with it!

    P.S. - We all felt the Bardam struggle, you're definitely not alone in that.
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    Last edited by Kabzy; 10-17-2017 at 12:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    Aww, a little off topic but you sound really pleasant and I hope you stick with WHM if it's what you enjoy the most. That little snippet above is why I think you'll go far if you invest time in the job. That kind of mindset is what makes good players, it's the stubborn ones who refuse to learn that end up staying trash forever.

    Rectify mistakes as well as you can and stick with it!

    P.S. - We all felt the Bardam struggle, you're definitely not alone in that.
    I would like to second, third and fourth this!

    Seriously though, that's a good attitude to have going into healing. Also tinythinker if you ever want to run things together we are on the same data center and my discord is in my signature. So its only you and 2-22 strangers.
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