Thread: 4.1 Dark Knight Feedback and fixes

Originally Posted by Crater

No, Warrior was powerful enough to be balanced even before the stance cost was taken away. They still had the highest burst damage, best sustained damage, and best personal defence. At 4.00 PLD and WAR were quite well-balanced against one another, and DRK was behind WAR in optimized runs but was a legitimately good alternative with legitimate upsides in unfamiliar, non-optimized, or progression content. If the only change from 4.0 to Savage had been for PLD to get the slight nerf to Holy Spirit, tank balance would have basically been achieved.

Instead they let Warrior way out in front due to the whining, and so we went into Savage with worse tank balance than we should have. And now 4.1 balance is arguably as bad as it was in 3.x, again due to the whining.

So if whining is what gets things done with regard to class balance, then that's what you're going to see, and you've got nobody to blame for it but SE.

Highly debatable. FFlogs has top end plds doing more damage than warrior from day 1 for the 1st couple weeks. (iirc that was about when they nerfed holy spirit & other pld stuff, buffed war/drk potencies a smidge, removed war gauge costs etc). THEN warrior started doing the most damage after they buffed it, but still don't bring as much to the table as pld. I wouldn't consider war 'out in front' of a horse as fast as pld. Pld was OP as a mother at 4.0 launch. Since then they have took pld down a peg, bumped war up a few pegs and raised drk about the height of a sheet of paper. It does surprise me how much hate there is for war while pld was OP as shit at 4.0, and it hasn't changed much since. Drk should be clamoring to get the war treatment so everyones at pld level, not trying to pull down war so everyone can bask in Plds shadow again.

But ultimately this is just a distraction from:

Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising

And Dark Knight is now the worst of the three.

Originally Posted by Launched

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No, Warrior was powerful enough to be balanced even before the stance cost was taken away. They still had the highest burst damage, best sustained damage, and best personal defence. At 4.00 PLD and WAR were quite well-balanced against one another, and DRK was behind WAR in optimized runs but was a legitimately good alternative with legitimate upsides in unfamiliar, non-optimized, or progression content. If the only change from 4.0 to Savage had been for PLD to get the slight nerf to Holy Spirit, tank balance would have basically been achieved.

Instead they let Warrior way out in front due to the whining, and so we went into Savage with worse tank balance than we should have. And now 4.1 balance is arguably as bad as it was in 3.x, again due to the whining.

So if whining is what gets things done with regard to class balance, then that's what you're going to see, and you've got nobody to blame for it but SE.

Originally Posted by Launched

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Launched, you just hate DRK. No joke, I've seen you straight-up admit that. All your posts reflect it, and you have a titanic chip on your shoulder about the job even existing. Go home.

If we talk about brutal numbers of stuff's statistics they're no difference between the 3 tank

But, cause their game play change, everything about their efficiency can be quite unbalanced. So I'll make some suggestions for the DRK to be more useful in a party.


Let's suggest this : Paladin got an effective way to reduce damage for the party, and War can create shield. Why not something that heal everyone on a little amount?

Sole Survivor : Inflict a drain effect on the target that restore 2% max hp of the attacker, 10 sec duration, CD 120sec

I think that will be quite balanced, the heal efficiency will be more effective on melee class, but still effective for distance one. In a way to calculate 2% max hp is more or less 600 hp for a dps (I take an average of 30k hp)


Now there's an other problematic, Shadow wall and the inexplicable 3 minute CD.

Shadow wall : reduce damage taken by 35%, duration 15 sec. CD 120sec.

This way, we're in the middle of War and Paladin, we mitigate a little bit more than a War for the same duration, but we don't counter attack, I think this is quite balanced with the War.

Now we still have a skill that don't really work : Dark passengers

Dark passenger : Area of effect in the front of the DRK, that inflict damage. Dark Art : reduce damage of monster by 10% 5 sec duration, Mp cost 1200, Potency 170/260 DA, CD 50 Sec.

This way Dark passenger cost less, is more powerful And got a useful utility for the DRK. I think this way the CD must be a little longer cause the damage is increased, so it make sense to have 50 sec instead of 30 sec. And the little difficulty is the Dark art version to place on a wide raid damage, so that make challenge.

Don't hesitate to respond for this suggestion. But I think this little change make the DRK more valuable in party

I would be wary of having the Potency of a damage reduction ability be a gain over Dark Arts as I would be then inclined to cast it on cooldown instead of when needed.

I would probably put the potency at 70/210 (with 1200 base cost). Always a gain vs. 2+ targets, but against one it breaks even so we can slip it in between Dark Arts when needed.

Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

Shadow wall : reduce damage taken by 35%, duration 15 sec. CD 120sec.

This way, we're in the middle of War and Paladin, we mitigate a little bit more than a War for the same duration, but we don't counter attack, I think this is quite balanced with the War.
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I like the idea, but I would rather have an extra source of mana regeneration. Warrior gets a counter attack, I believe dark knight having a blood price effect on this move makes sense and balances the skill out more than the extra mitigation.

Originally Posted by Chrono_Rising

This Delirium Buff kinda popped into my head while driving, will edit original post and leave this here:
Delirium
Cost 50 Blood
Returns 2400 mp
Grants the beneficial status of Grit while ignoring the damage penalty of Grit, activates blood weapon and blood price.
Duration 30 seconds
recast: 2 minutes

I always feel the grit effects are so powerful and hate giving them up when I drop grit to do damage. Hopefully this is the best of both worlds, granting us a 20% damage mitigation, higher potencies, self sustain, and more resource regeneration. This would give us the best of both worlds for a short period of time.

So this would be a 2 min CD with 30 sec duration with the effects of all 3 abilities (Grit DR, mana on hit, mana being hit, atk speed), but not actually activate them? Or you mean 'activates bloodweapon/price, status of grit' as in they go on CD and are actually in grit when its over?