So uh, Command Missions...

[SenorPatty]

So, are PC healers still going to cling to the idea that they shouldn't have to DPS after this?

Honestly, I'm just tired of that whole shebang. Healer should do this, healer should do that, healer should not do this, etc.

Its the job that gets even more flak than the tank.

At this point, as long as my hp doesn't drop to 0, I don't care anymore. 90% of my DF runs have healers doing dps and heals. If I happen to stumble upon that one healer who wants to overheal, I'm not gonna lose any sleep.

[hydralus]

Its the job that gets even more flak than the tank.

If tanks were constantly standing around doing nothing once they established aggro I'm sure there'd be more flak to them. And you'd better believe I'm telling DPS that have no idea what an AoE is that they should be slamming that in large packs.

And there's really not a lot of wiggle room on what a healer should/shouldn't be doing. Healer's priority is to make sure the tank isn't going to drop, and beyond that if they have nothing else to do with their MP they can toss in one of their many damage skills. Much like a tank's first priority is to keep aggro, and to also use their literal free mitigation skills. There's no argument against either aside from "I don't want to".

There's different skill levels and situations, for sure. And long as people seem like they're putting in an effort I've got no complaints. A tank pulling 3 groups at a time and you have to spam heals to keep them up? No worries. Setting yourself to /follow because selene can keep the tank alive, a bit rude.

[miraidensetsu]

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Like to cry about it? Go to this topic and cry there. Let people discuss about command missions, ok?

[hydralus]

Like to cry about it? Go to this topic and cry there. Let people discuss about command missions, ok?

The AI healers DPS in command missions so I brought it up.

As for my character being listed as a tank; my main class is a WHM first and foremost, so I have a lot of experience when it comes to putting out both healing and damage. Unless you have a tank with paper armor and/or pulling huge groups, you're going to have a lot of downtime. And even then, Holy provides loads of mitigation in the form of stuns.

I could go on and on but suffice to say you're not using your skillset properly if you aren't providing damage, akin to a monk not using positionals, a pld not using rampart, an AST not using cards. If it's a case of "I do not have the ability to handle this", then my condolences. If it's a case (most likely) of "I don't want to", it's a shame.

[miraidensetsu]

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Sorry, but I don't want to discuss that here. Save your arguments about that matter for that topic, OK?

[Sebazy]

Like to cry about it? Go to this topic and cry there. Let people discuss about command missions, ok?

Not making unnecessary posts dragging this derailment on would be a good start too. Cheers.

Back on topic:

I finally got the defensive AI unlocked for my GLD. I could swear that his single target agro seems better despite him losing quite a lot of DPS from switching out Independent IV. Unsurprisingly, it makes absolutely no difference to his eagerness to go charging down corpses on the King but the rest of the dungeon definitely felt better overall. Once I catch him up with a few more rank ups I'll be putting the CNJ back on Independent I think.

Another issue I am noticing tho, he will frequently go 4 or 5 GCDs without doing a single flash which is naturally far too long. A couple of simple tweaks such as the CNJ opening with Stone instead of Aero, and the GLD hitting flash a couple of times on the pull with more than one mob would likely make a huge huge difference.

Beyond that, I think SE need to suck it up and flag certain mobs to be ignored by the Tank AI, pretty much any other solution is going to take up a lot more server CPU cycles than I suspect SE will be willing to give.

[Felis]

If tanks were constantly standing around doing nothing once they established aggro I'm sure there'd be more flak to them.

A tank can just keep doing his enmity combo, because nobody would complain if he overaggro.