Thread: 4.1 Patch Notes Show Us an Unfortunate Truth about the Dev Team

Over reaction. The thread.

Originally Posted by FoodAspectedPrimal

Changes to dragoon make no sense. They are trying to make a brainless class easier to play.
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Says the even Braindeader Samurai.

Summoner flows really well, imo. The problem is, it requires thought.

Everything you do is locked behind Aetherflow, so you'll be working in 60 second increments and within said increments you flow through 2-3 phases, Rouse.. DWT.. Bahamut. Once you understand that the class flows extremely well and works in ~20 second increments.

Summoner also is currently the 2nd highest DPS at the 50-99% range in FFLogs, with only Samurai above it. If you include the raid dps increase via Radiant Shield, a 2% phys damage debuff that potentially lasts 24 seconds and is on a 60 second cooldown, and the raidwide Devotion buff (2% for 15 seconds on a 2 minute CD) they are easily ahead of Samurais in DPS. They also are MUCH more mobile than BLM and arguably RDM (Dualcast makes every other cast instant whereas SMNs can make use of ruin 2 at what is now only a 30 potency loss compared to 50 before via Ruin 3), do better damage than BLM and RDM, have better utility than BLM and RDM (BLM virtually none, while the rDPS increase Devotion, Contagion, and Radiant Shield bring outweighs those that Embolden brings), and can also resurrect allies now that we are overflowing with MP every 60 seconds because Swiftcast is no longer needed to use a Ruin 4 proc during Bahamut phase... 1 rez a minute should be fine if your group knows the fight.

In other words, SMN flows very well if you understand the class, has the best DPS and utility of all the casters by a solid margin... ESPECIALLY if you take into account their rdps increase via said utility, AND is very mobile. I don't understand why people are continuing to complain about Summoner. Even before 4.1 SMN was in a great spot, but now? Geez man we are insane.

The reason they didn't change MNK for 3.x is bc it is playing exactly how they want it to play. The Summoner changes made the class flow better but didn't really make it less complex, yes. DRG got harder for experts but easier for bads who let HT fall off. And comparing Shake it Off, a defensive cooldown, to an entire dps class proves you have no idea what you're talking about.. One is significantly easier to balance than the other.

What really shows is them not listening is the 100000 page DRK problems thread in the tank section being entirely ignored.

Had to laugh at the notion of Dragoon being braindead, probably one of the only classes that requires planning things out over 40 seconds ahead of time....while classes like Samurai require essentially zero planning and have no personal cooldowns to line up. I don't think the DRG changes were necessary but that is a different argument than the class being braindead

My static really enjoyed the new shake it off, made Neo a lot easier to heal during GCO and during the end of the encounter

Job Balances is the unofficial subtitle for Stormblood the expansion. Revamping the battle system inherently suggests needing reworks and fixes for all jobs. This is not complicated in the least, so anyone saying "get over it", "play another job", or "stop complaining" can just see themselves out right now.

The fact that the Devs are applying fixes that are out of touch with player desires is definitely an issue, but the unfortunate caveat of this fact is that many players cannot speak with any real authority on how classes should be fixed because a large number of casual players think that classes are fine since they are not experiencing the frustrations of high-end play.

Lastly, if the Devs would just give in and allow a test server with select players to test before implementation, it would save LOADS of headache on the playerbase and on the Devs themselves in the long run. The current rollout cycle that is locked in before feedback can even be given is highly inefficient.

Originally Posted by FoodAspectedPrimal

Changes to dragoon make no sense. They are trying to make a brainless class easier to play.

Um, what? How is drg brainless? It has two 4 button combos w/ positionals. That's already more complicated than most jobs in the game. It also has 2 separate rotations that have to be done at the same time. GCD & oGCD. You want to tell the difference between a master and casual drg? Ask them what their oGCD rotation is, because a good drg has to be aware of this rotation to line up their times.

Originally Posted by Jxnibbles

Lack of direction, and Identities for Healers, Monk, Drk, Mch, Smn.

Does everything need to be nerfed or buffed? No but seriously all they have seriously learned to do is copy/paste/add/subtract and say its fixed. We are basically in the same meta as 3.x with the only exception being Paladin is in it now..
Real balance... can't wait to see how the new 5.0 jobs are handled. We still don't have a Caster Comp its just physical this and that bleh.

You forgot about DRK...

What you said about DRG is false they did an excellent job this patch it wasn’t easy and very punishing but now that it only requires 3 stacks LOTD is actually something to look forward to having more than 2-3 times in a fight....more up time is well worth the HT and potency bump balancing