Armor repairing, what do you think about it?

[Lusavari]

The way I see it, if you don't wanna pay a reasonable price to get something repaired, you should have leveled a craft yourself. It's a supply and demand situation. While I'm not about to be a jerk and demand to get paid 10,000 gil to repair something that costs me 200 gil to make, I feel that I'm entitled to some compensation considering you had the same opportunities as me. Sure, maybe you didn't have the time, or chose to invest your time differently, but... Hey


I agree with Thev's bold down there. At the end of the day, a balance needs to be struck. We're doing a service. We expect to be compensated justly. If you get a manicure, you're gonna pay how much? I think some of the cheaper places around here do maybe a $10 one, and the premium joints do $25. If you get a hair cut, you pay $10-12 on average. And I know a few girls who were paying $98 a month for hair coloring by a stylist. These are things you could do yourself, but you opt to have a professional do it for you. Try paying your stylist 50 cents next time you go, see how likely they are to cut your hair again, or for that matter, call the cops on you for being a deadbeat.

Same principle.

[Atomsk]

My gear that I cannot repair myself is put in the bazaar for 1k per level range for armor, and 2k per for weapons(ie, 40-50 is 4000 gil for armor, 8000 gil for weapons). I have to wait maybe 5-10 minutes when I need repairs. Why? Because I am not a cheap bastard. Getting my gear repaired costs me ONE leve worth of gil rewards.

People who do otherwise are inconsiderate of what crafters have to deal with to get their crafting higher than 20. Try being an armorer, where to make max level armor, not only do you need armorer at 50, you need weaving, leatherworking, and goldsmithing at 35. Weavers need leatherworking within 5 levels. I haven't played the other crafting classes enough to know what they require for subcrafts.

Point being, if you are one of those people who complains about not having to wait forever to have your gear repaired, maybe you should be rethinking your compensation.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

omg you that flipping person XD i knew i recongized ya. LOL

sorry but like that person said if you give mats crafter saves money on needing to buy more mats, so they infact break even if a person gives mats vs gil. asking for mats +1K is looking for profit. Since they get more mats for free and 1K gil. And again it is your role in game to do repairs. NPC was put in mostly for the fact that ppl needed repairs early in game and why npc only does 75%. Crafters once leveled take over from npc.

Everyone in this game do have community roles.

Dow, dom, dol supply doh mats, doh use mats to make and repair gear for dom dol dow, so dom dow and dol can supply doh with mats.

if all these 3 couldn't get mats how you doh level up? they would need to do it them selves. Its pretty much a community circle.
Like farmer providing cooks with food to cook for everyone else, which gives them money to buy stuff from said other ppl.

Everyone is helps everyone in the end.

[TheVedis]

The way I see it, if you don't wanna pay a reasonable price to get something repaired, you should have leveled a craft yourself. It's a supply and demand situation. While I'm not about to be a jerk and demand to get paid 10,000 gil to repair something that costs me 200 gil to make, I feel that I'm entitled to some compensation considering you had the same opportunities as me. Sure, maybe you didn't have the time, or chose to invest your time differently, but... Hey


I agree with Thev's bold down there. At the end of the day, a balance needs to be struck. We're doing a service. We expect to be compensated justly. If you get a manicure, you're gonna pay how much? I think some of the cheaper places around here do maybe a $10 one, and the premium joints do $25. If you get a hair cut, you pay $10-12 on average. And I know a few girls who were paying $98 a month for hair coloring by a stylist. These are things you could do yourself, but you opt to have a professional do it for you. Try paying your stylist 50 cents next time you go, see how likely they are to cut your hair again, or for that matter, call the cops on you for being a deadbeat.

Same principle.

I like that analogy lol
they leveled their hairstyling craft, its their job to do it for you at no cost to you, after all, thats why they leveled it, to cut your hair

[Lusavari]

I like that analogy lol
they leveled their hairstyling craft, its their job to do it for you at no cost to you, after all, thats why they leveled it, to cut your hair

Because they totally don't have bills to pay or supplies to replace like dyes and gels either!

[Kilta_Firelotus]

i didnt level my craft to repair everyone elses stuff at a cost to me, thats what your saying my job is
to repair everyone for free
im sorry, not buying it

where did I saw for free?

mats are barter payment. I give you material which you don't have to rebuy again (spending money)
Sorry but that is more then fair in my book. As you sauid you don't look for profit. Mats are a form of paymant not giving anything is free.

[TheVedis]

omg you that flipping person XD i knew i recongized ya. LOL

sorry but like that person said if you give mats crafter saves money on needing to buy more mats, so they infact break even if a person gives mats vs gil. asking for mats +1K is looking for profit. Since they get more mats for free and 1K gil. And again it is your role in game to do repairs. NPC was put in mostly for the fact that ppl needed repairs early in game and why npc only does 75%. Crafters once leveled take over from npc.

Everyone in this game do have community roles.

Dow, dom, dol supply doh mats, doh use mats to make and repair gear for dom dol dow, so dom dow and dol can supply doh with mats.

if all these 3 couldn't get mats how you doh level up? they would need to do it them selves. Its pretty much a community circle.
Like farmer providing cooks with food to cook for everyone else, which gives them money to buy stuff from said other ppl.

Everyone is helps everyone in the end.

theres a breakdown in the circle that always happens though

people who farm the mats want to make money for them
people who buy the mats want to pay as little as possible, but also profit on what they make
people who buy the crafted items want to pay as little as possible(and are a mix of the other 2)

so lets go with buffalo hides as an example

People farm them, and sell them for 20k each
The crafters dont like this price(especialy since the vendor is right around the corner at 24k each) but buy them anyway cuz they need it to make stuff
so they make spetches to repair with, this ends up costing them around 2k each after you count in shards costs
they go back out, to sell what they made, only to find out that people will only pay 1k each for the repairs that those spetches they make use. Whats funny is, they say its a fair price....yet they are the same ones who sold you that leather for their "fair price" of 20k each.
Now a smart crafter also realized that it in fact doesnt cost 2k to make them, you shouldnt make them at all, since a vendor also sells spetches for 1600 each, which is still more of a cost then the 1000 people offer for the repair...

but thats the point im making, the materials we use to make these repair mats cost us money to get.
the farmers are selling them to use at inflated prices usualy(its amazing how much higher some of these prices keep getting, ive seen ALOT of very common materials now being sold, succesfuly, above vendor price, which is really sad in its own right since people are dumb enough to buy them for that).
and then they turn around, and expect you to repair them, for less then what you paid to make the repair material for them, essentialy making them even more of a profit.


im probly going to go out of my way to post a nice price chart for what it costs(on my server at least) like i have in almost every repair thread that appeared on zam so that people can get an idea of what repairs cost to make materialwise. It is really insightful once you understand the actual cost crafters have to endure to repair your items sometimes, and thats not even counting the cost to level the craft in most cases(which is stupid expensive in its own right, but thjats totaly on the crafter imo, leveling isnt about profit)

[TheVedis]

where did I saw for free?

mats are barter payment. I give you material which you don't have to rebuy again (spending money)
Sorry but that is more then fair in my book. As you sauid you don't look for profit. Mats are a form of paymant not giving anything is free.

so your saying you shouldnt have to tip people to repair you, its the same as doing it for free. same concept.

also, this is the flawed logic in offering the repair material

If i have the material, i want to be paid the material to repair you.
If i dont have the material, i cant use what your offering, so your still not getting the repair.

[Mikita]

I have run into a few crafters who do it for profit (all the best to them), but most of the players I call my friends actually enjoy crafting and do it to help their LS members and their friends by being able to make cool weapons, armor, clothes, and other items.

With the ability to make items comes the ability to repair -- but not the obligation to repair.

I will gladly help friends even at my own expense.

But at the same time, if a stranger takes the attitude that it is my duty to repair and/or offers ridiculously little in exchange for my time and materials, that is being selfish and insulting at the same time.

No one likes being used and made to feel like second rate citizens.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

honestly you guys don't fully get what I am saying. And I never said free. You guys don't understand what A barter system is.
Money isn't the only payment espcially back in the actual time the game is based off of. PPl used barter system of giving things of equal value.
Like 2 pigs for a cow etc. I find it pointless and silly to use modern analogies in a high fantasy themed game where extrage of Items can take place.

free is no payment. Mats again are a form of that. Since I'm resupplying you of stuff My repair will use. That is again fair in my eyes. Because this is game is not modern day earth. Where money is the only form of payment.