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  1. #1
    Player
    Ekimmak's Avatar
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    Carlo Vinne
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    Faerie
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    Warrior Lv 80
    It really needs to extend the buff to healing abilities as well as healing spells, IMO. There are those times where I desperately need those extra insta-heals and wasn't planning ahead properly, but then I need to hope that I can keep people alive so I can spend the swiftcast on getting my fairy back.
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    Deceptus Keelon
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    The main problems with Dissipation:

    It actively conflicts with the core aspect of the job, having the fairy out.

    It actively conflicts with the level 70 abilities, Aetherpact gain and Fey Union

    It actively conflicts with what you get in return for it, Aetherflow stacks. Since they're abilities, your healing abilities (Lustrate, Excog, Ingom) are NOT affected by the 20% healing gain. So those nice new Aetherflow stacks you got, aren't anymore powerful and you've just lost your maintenance heals.

    Prior to 4.1 Resummoning the fairy was an MP loss overall and you had to burn a swiftcast to resummon the fairy. This is fixed in 4.1 (hopefully)

    Basically, Using Dissipation generally puts you in a worse position than if you didn't use it. It is a TERRIBLE Emergency Cooldown. You could literally take it off of your toolbar and not really notice it's gone. I have used it maybe once to see what it did and then never again.

    This is the worst spell in the game. It needs a complete redesign.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 10-10-2017 at 10:54 AM.

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    Ametrine's Avatar
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    Diantha Sunstone
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 70
    Imagine if Dissapation had a very long CD (like 5 minutes) and automatically re-summoned the fairy you dropped afterwards, it could act as a viable emergency option to grab to Aetherflows like it's supposed to be.

    That said, the buff to the Summon spell itself may be the adjustment it needs. 9 Aetherflows a minute is nothing to balk at.
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    Kabzy's Avatar
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    Kabz Il
    World
    Spriggan
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ametrine View Post
    That said, the buff to the Summon spell itself may be the adjustment it needs. 9 Aetherflows a minute is nothing to balk at.
    Well it still has a 180s CD, so maybe not every minute. That would be OP.

    The move should definitely see more usage with Scholar having MP costs lowered across the board. I think that was the major reason for not using it much, the cast timer being reduced isn't as impactful for SCH as I'm assuming we'll generally want to Swiftcast it for more weaving potential. It'll be interesting to see how we coordinate Dissipation with the rest of our kit, in an odd way it will require a lot of pre-planning and that does mesh well with the whole image of the job.

    That being said, I really hope this isn't their fix for the ability. Its usage will increase for sure, but not for the purpose it was designed for. They should probably acknowledge that and give it some sort of buff relating to DPS for now. (Assuming it won't be getting a proper rework until 5.0 at this point.)

    I also really like Cynfael's suggestion. It almost made me think of how MCHs abilities change when they get to 50 on their heat gauge. Something like that would not only make our kit more interesting, but it would probably be visually appealing to get newer players to engage more. I also completely have no expectations that SE will give SCH this much love, but we can hope. #prayFor5.0
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    Riyshn'a Nhise
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    Cactuar
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Oh, sorry, I'm not at all trying to argue that it's a well designed skill, just outline use case(s) for it as it exists now.

    I can't help noticing that every single "buff" Dissipation has gotten in SB has actually been nearly system-level changes that happen to make it less punishing to use, not actually any direct buffs to Dissipation itself. Embrace potency lowered making losing the fairy less punishing, Quickened Aetherflow, 4.1 Summon cost/cast buffs.
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    Last edited by Riyshn; 10-09-2017 at 12:25 PM.

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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Riyshn View Post
    Oh, sorry, I'm not at all trying to argue that it's a well designed skill, just outline use case(s) for it as it exists now.

    I can't help noticing that every single "buff" Dissipation has gotten in SB has actually been nearly system-level changes that happen to make it less punishing to use, not actually any direct buffs to Dissipation itself. Embrace potency lowered making losing the fairy less punishing, Quickened Aetherflow, 4.1 Summon cost/cast buffs.
    I completely see where you're coming from and don't disagree. I mostly forget about how disappointed I've been in Dissipation since HW up until a new Dissipation overhaul thread pops up, then I'm breaking up with that poor excuse for a lvl 60 capstone skill all over again
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    IllyaPrisma's Avatar
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    Illya Prisma
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    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 100
    The Summon changes in 4.1 make Dissipation much less punishing, as it is a solid emergency cooldown and doesn't sacrifice much in terms of healing output on the tank if you do the math. Eos is gone for 30 seconds, which is roughly 10 Embrace. That scales to just under 1500 Healing Potency.

    The only change that is really needed for Dissipation (because despite what people think, it's already a very good skill) is that it could potentially reset the cooldown timer on Indomibility and Excogitation when used. If people are concerned that Aetherflow cooldowns will not be available when Dissipation is popped, this would solve that.
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    Last edited by IllyaPrisma; 10-14-2017 at 04:02 PM.

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    Nocturnia Uzuki
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    As far as it's uses as a HEAL spell (not DPS) go, I use it quite frequently on massive mob pulls. The extra aether stacks can get you through to the end of the pull's danger zone on the tank, at which point not having a fairy isn't really a problem.

    I don't really play that much SCH, so I can't comment that much otherwise, but as the leader of an eccentrics guild, I can see it having a lot of use in unconventional gameplay as well.
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    Twit Ter
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 70
    I find in raids dissipation is a great recovery tool if you just ressed and need to stabilize your mana and aetherflow stacks if your lucid dreaming is on cooldown. With 3 second cast on summon you spend basically 1 GCD to summon, rouse and whispering dawn if needed then dissipate and spam aetherflow stacks on ED. Hopefully aetherflow comes back off cd and with 20% healing bonus you can supplement healing with succors.
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