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    Hel Vel
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    PLD. Not having a gap-closer. Cover buff.

    I understand PLD has Cover that other tanks don't. So that should make up for the lack of a gap-closing action. If only Cover is as fun as leaping swiftly forward. As of now, half the time I try to use Cover my target, usually the healer – a caster, tends to be far away and thus out of range.

    WHM's Medica which spread-out has a radius of 15 yalms. Cover is focused and only has a range of 10 yalms. Doesn't it make more sense that a focused beam of aether should go farther?

    So I won't ask for a gap-closer. I just want Cover to be effective within 15 – 20 yalms.
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    Player MyaValentine's Avatar
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    Diana Prince
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Opus View Post
    I understand PLD has Cover that other tanks don't. So that should make up for the lack of a gap-closing action. If only Cover is as fun as leaping swiftly forward. As of now, half the time I try to use Cover my target, usually the healer – a caster, tends to be far away and thus out of range.

    WHM's Medica which spread-out has a radius of 15 yalms. Cover is focused and only has a range of 10 yalms. Doesn't it make more sense that a focused beam of aether should go farther?

    So I won't ask for a gap-closer. I just want Cover to be effective within 15 – 20 yalms.
    ... I think pld equivalent of a gap-closer is tempered will not cover, as gap-closer serves as a way to either re-position yourself or avoid"ish" those knock back the only catch is that tempered will just doesn't move you at all.
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    Scarlett Dzian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Opus View Post
    I understand PLD has Cover that other tanks don't. So that should make up for the lack of a gap-closing action. If only Cover is as fun as leaping swiftly forward. As of now, half the time I try to use Cover my target, usually the healer – a caster, tends to be far away and thus out of range.

    WHM's Medica which spread-out has a radius of 15 yalms. Cover is focused and only has a range of 10 yalms. Doesn't it make more sense that a focused beam of aether should go farther?

    So I won't ask for a gap-closer. I just want Cover to be effective within 15 – 20 yalms.
    Paladin doesn't need a gap closer like at all.

    I also think cover is fine. if you're covering a whm who's 20 yalms away what exactly are they going to get hit by? generally the reason casters are so far away is so they don't get hit in the first place. and if they don't get hit they don't need covering....

    wait actually I would change cover. i'd make it take debuffs off the target... makes no sense that I can cover a stormsplitter or something yet the main tank still gets the debuff from it.. when I effectively took the hit
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    Dia Beetus
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    Paladin doesn't need a gap closer like at all.

    I also think cover is fine. if you're covering a whm who's 20 yalms away what exactly are they going to get hit by? generally the reason casters are so far away is so they don't get hit in the first place. and if they don't get hit they don't need covering....

    wait actually I would change cover. i'd make it take debuffs off the target... makes no sense that I can cover a stormsplitter or something yet the main tank still gets the debuff from it.. when I effectively took the hit
    However...you can get the thunder 3 debuff from exdeath if you cover the main tank...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phileas View Post
    However...you can get the thunder 3 debuff from exdeath if you cover the main tank...
    well consistency would be nice lol. should work on all of them not just some
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    I'd still like to see pld get a gap closer, it's the only melee job that doesn't have one. (Especially in pvp. Holy Spirit is nice, but you still have to do royal authority to build gage/recover mp.) Using the whm analogy isn't right. I think drg is more fitting. People complained about dragon sight and it got fixed, but it had the same range as cover. A pld can't be expected to cover any group member that needs it with that kind of range.
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    Goffard Gaffgarion
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    Dark Knight Lv 73
    I'd like a lower recast on Tempered Will, and better consistency in nullifying knockbacks and board slides like Sophia/Levi. Cover's good but I'll take more QoL why not.
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    Tonberry
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Gap closer can be game-changing in terms of maximizing uptime, otherwise you'd have to rely on your healers using rescue. Also it seems like the only relevant usage of tempered will right now is o4s exdeath vacuum wave, since it doesn't work on downburst or off-balance. Lowering its cd won't really matter much unless they make it work on other stuffs.
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    Claire Pendragon
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    Mateus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    well consistency would be nice lol. should work on all of them not just some
    Yeah, always hate the lack of consistency on such moves.
    Even tempered/surecast dont always stop push backs.

    depending on server ticks, even a perfectly times gap closer, with a flexible window, can still fail to bring you back to the boss.

    But for the sake of diverse gameplay between tanks, being able to survive knockbacks is important, but the method to do so doesnt need to be the same.
    (this is why WARs gap closer is a DPS loss, since they originally had holmgang for this, and sometimes holmgang works less often than tempered will)
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    CLAIRE PENDRAGON

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    Gladiator Lv 80
    It looks like the boss design devs and the job design devs don't like each other. " Lets design these situational abilities in case something happens." Lets design fights so that situational abilities don't work...
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