Is there a reason a hefty chunk of SCH heals are unaffected by buffs

[Eloah]

On phone so won't go into much detail atm. Careful what you wish for -

Having abilities unaffected by buffs means they're unaffected by debuffs, too, both healing done and healing received ones. These have existed in the past and may exist in fights in the future, and I don't just mean Ramuh. Might call em fringe cases, but they exist. And can be used while silenced, just to throw that out there. While generally it'd be a boon to let these things be affected, especially with defiance, it's worth keeping this in mind.

I'd have to test it out, or someone else can, but I'm not sure that is entirely accurate. Buffs tend to come form our side, the caster, which is why they aren't effected, but debuffs tend to be placed on the other side, the receivers. There aren't many debuffs that lower the healing given, I only know of the one in Hullbreaker HM, but most debuffs lower the healing received, disease being the most known.

[Erakir]

I'd have to test it out, or someone else can, but I'm not sure that is entirely accurate. Buffs tend to come form our side, the caster, which is why they aren't effected, but debuffs tend to be placed on the other side, the receivers. There aren't many debuffs that lower the healing given, I only know of the one in Hullbreaker HM, but most debuffs lower the healing received, disease being the most known.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're unsure about whether our healing abilities pierce our own debuffs, (-% healing done from us rather than -%healing received on our target?)

I just went into Hullbreaker to test that healing down debuff - It was my assumption that since healing percentage buffs on our own end do not buff abilities, that healing debuffs on our own would not negatively impact them as well.

This held true. There are examples in this video of Tetra and Assize without the healing debuff, and with the healing debuff. Their potencies were unaffected, though my Cure 2 certainly was. You can also check my regen ticks when applied without the debuff and with the debuff to see that they were properly reduced (they go from ~3.2k to ~1.3k noncrit)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA9t...ature=youtu.be

0:09 - Tetra, 14.5k, normal
0:29 - Assize, 6.3k, normal
1:09 - Tetra, 22.1k (crit), healing debuff
1:35 - Assize, 6.3k, healing debuff
2:11 - Tetra, 14.4k, normal
2:40 - Assize, 6.3k ,normal
3:13 - Tetra, 14.3k, healing debuff
3:48 - Assize, 6.1k, normal

As for buffs and debuffs on the recipient's end, there are plenty of examples of abilities being unaffected, from Defiance, Convalescence, Infirmary debuffs, and Ramuh. All in all abilities seem to go through all modifiers, both from the caster and on the recipient.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I'm split with this.
On one hand, I truly would love abilities to benefit from. Healing buffs.
A buffed Asylum or buffed Plenary would be godly.

On the other hand, the potentcy of most OGCD heals are so potentcy pumped that it could easily be OP.
Indom is 500 pot now, with a Lagresse it would literally become a 15y Cure III (it already is but even more so).
SCH also has the most healing buffs in the game. If OGCD heals were effected by all those buffs, if would be a bit ridiculous.

If this were to happen, SCH would have to lose Fey Illumination to keep their healing in check

[Kabzy]

If this were to happen, SCH would have to lose Fey Illumination to keep their healing in check

I never really understood this argument. It's almost like WHM/AST mains are forgetting it's an AoE party buff.

Not that it will ever happen anyway. The recent adjustment to Plenary Indulgence pretty much confirms it.