4.1 Patch Notes (Preliminary)

**AngelCheese77** · 10-06-2017 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Teraluna

This whole use Squadron bots instead of actual players ranks as one of the worst decisions made in an mmo. I stress mmo, this is not one of those isolationist single player survival or shoot-em-up efforts - but this kind of thing is moving it in that direction.

It's bad enough that many of your fellow group players seem to regard even the basic communications of 'hi' and 'thank you' as some kind of penance to be avoided at all costs.

Now we have taken the next step down this self only interaction, with this you and your bots non-mmo grouping.

If they see this as a solution to long queue times for certain classes - it might very well be. But at what cost to the traditional overall mmo culture - which this game used to pride itself in? There are far better ways to handle the queue situation than guiding players to be an isolationist bot controller.

An introduction of a system into a totally inappropriate environment. This is an mmorpg - not Many Player Run Bots Online

Originally Posted by Mature

Are you just here to moan over meaningless stuff? Be GRATEFUL that at least we are getting extra content. Plus you don't have to do it if you don't want to or like it. What's the problem behind it or in theory you just moaning for the sake of moaning? Please get over yourself and be happy.

Actually I do understand where both of you are coming from, since I have played EverQuest and EverQuest2 for some time since they introduced Mercenaries.

Unlike FF14, in EQ & EQ2, you can make entire boxed parties easily enough. Here, not so much. And many feel that boxes have ruined the social aspect of EQ & EQ2 since a person can essentially play with themselves.

Now, in regard to FF14, this game is way different in many regards. I want to see how the mercenaries work before I make a judgement (though if regular NPCs in duties and battles are any indication ... ugh. Swear they are dumb as bricks) ...

For myself, I see it as a way to help my sister get back into the game. She hasn't played in over a year, and picked up Marauder again. Just starting her first dungeon. So with her as Tank, my husband as Healer, and me as a DPS, we can bring on a Squadron DPS to round things out. Mainly so we don't have some random being a jerk as my sister relearns things, cause she isn't going fast enough.

**bswpayton** · 10-06-2017 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

Actually I do understand where both of you are coming from, since I have played EverQuest and EverQuest2 for some time since they introduced Mercenaries.

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and plus to add u still have to do ur dailies with real people can we have something we can do on our own geez some people not u btw haha

**Nora_of_Mira** · 10-06-2017 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

Actually .

The thing that they're missing is the fact these Squadron dungeons are not replacing anything. Its just 5 dungeons that mean nothing and its JUST for you to do more things with your squadron with some rewards unique to it. They hyperbolised the living heck out of the content thats not even out yet. Trust me, people will do it for a month or 2 and forget all about it.

**AngelCheese77** · 10-07-2017 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

The thing that they're missing is the fact these Squadron dungeons are not replacing anything. Its just 5 dungeons that mean nothing and its JUST for you to do more things with your squadron with some rewards unique to it. They hyperbolised the living heck out of the content thats not even out yet. Trust me, people will do it for a month or 2 and forget all about it.

Oh I getcha. I'm hoping to use it for tank training myself. I like to really take my time and do full runs. So I see it as a good opportunity to learn dungeons.

**raela** · 10-07-2017 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

Now, in regard to FF14, this game is way different in many regards. I want to see how the mercenaries work before I make a judgement (though if regular NPCs in duties and battles are any indication ... ugh. Swear they are dumb as bricks) ...

There are some SB job duties with tank/healer/dps NPCs.. they are MUCH better than before. They do mechanics!! I am interested to see how squadrons end up, though they might start out pretty dumb (which is kinda endearing). I liked the squadrons, but it's way too much stat tinkering to do the higher level missions, so I stopped using them.

**Leigaon** · 10-06-2017 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Teraluna

This whole use Squadron bots instead of actual players ranks as one of the worst decisions made in an mmo. I stress mmo, this is not one of those isolationist single player survival or shoot-em-up efforts - but this kind of thing is moving it in that direction...

I can understand the frustration and concern. This is something that can go either way, depending on how they decide to implement it.

Right now, like someone said, it's only 5 dungeons. One thing to keep in mind though is this might seem like a way to reduce queue time for DPS, but also allow people who need the content from earlier dungeons (so far 2.x) to complete them without long wait times. This, to me, is due to their large amount of dungeon content that gets out-dated quickly.

Not sure how many times you can run it in a day though. If we can only run it once or twice, that's good too. Use it to get your challenge log done if you need to. As long as they keep the squadron able to run into dungeons from previous expansions, it won't be so bad.

Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

Trust me, people will do it for a month or 2 and forget all about it.

That is true, most of this will blow over. I think one person is afraid of items being required for other content you can only obtain through squadron dungeon runs. I don't think they'll go down that far. Right now a few emotes is fine. It will have its hype and die down.

Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

You have to have unlocked the dungeons first before running with your squad...

Maybe that is where I am getting confused. Normally when we have a dungeon we do a quest and at a point it will say how we've unlocked it, not completed. Do the quest and finish the dungeon to get the duty to come up in roulette.

So maybe it is safe to say we need it completed rather than just unlocked? If so that will take out any help for newer people and place it back into the old ways which is perfectly fine. As for it doing anything for roulette, probably not in a giant way. Those who have 4/5 dungeons on a Monday night and are dead tired..if they can run a quick / easy one with their squadron, that isn't so bad.

I don't think the weight of these squadron runs are that heavy and it will probably fade away into the background. Or it may not, can't cancel anything out until we get our nubby lil hands on things.

**Nora_of_Mira** · 10-06-2017 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Leigaon

I can understand the frustration and concern. This is something that can go either way, depending on how they decide to implement it.

Right now, like someone said, it's only 5 dungeons. One thing to keep in mind though is this might seem like a way to reduce queue time for DPS, but I also think it's their way of saying we have too much content piling up and this is a way for players who are starting out to work on getting their dungeons.

Plus we aren't sure how many times a day we can run it are we? Or Maybe I missed that in the patch notes.

You have to have unlocked the dungeons first before running with your squad, and they (the squad) have to be rank 2. I don't think this is for people starting out. And I dont see rewards listed yet, so I still dont think this will be impeding daily roulettes in the slightest.

**Remedi** · 10-07-2017 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

You have to have unlocked the dungeons first before running with your squad, and they (the squad) have to be rank 2. I don't think this is for people starting out. And I dont see rewards listed yet, so I still dont think this will be impeding daily roulettes in the slightest.

I think you are right also if memory serves me right the squadron is unlocked with the second to last rank in GC meaning you need to clear Aurum Vale

**Aniond** · 10-07-2017 11:55 AM

This whole use Squadron bots instead of actual players ranks as one of the worst decisions made in an mmo. I stress mmo, this is not one of those isolationist single player survival or shoot-em-up efforts - but this kind of thing is moving it in that direction.

Your wrong. A game is what the player makes out of it, not someone else. If you enoy group activities. They are continuously adding raids and dungeons. Knock yourself out. For those who don't want to endless hassle of a bad tank or healer. Let them chose and enjoy it.

**xJimmehx** · 10-06-2017 05:38 PM

Still cant hide the parameters bar because they didnt add an option to see TP numerically.
awesome war changes.
hot da@#... those dragoon buffs. O:
and those subscription rewards... they shortened the time by so much and even made the strife attire reward #1. What the heck? Guess I have them all now.

Im not really playing right now and (still burned out..SB was boring for me) I dont think this is a good enough reason to return, but this is a good QoL patch imo. If they had added instances up to level 70 for the squadrons features, id probably level some other classes with that.. these are just preliminary though. Maybe something good will show up in the final notes.

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