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  1. #11
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    AngaratoSvartberg's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghastly View Post
    They just never work, they're underwhelming and only good in the best of situations and completely uneeded in most situations.
    not the case in FFXI at all. they were too good. rdm and bard (and later corsair and geomancer) were some of the most requested jobs in the history of the game. bard being the best. if you played bard you basicly had to set yourself on do not disturb or people would ask you all day to come do stuff.
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  2. #12
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    Aribeth Lightbringer
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    I really think if summoner could have all they summon Demi and have carbruncle more as the fight between demi and companion it work well. if summoner could have demi titan garuda and Ifrit aswell as a Demi Shiva and Ramuh and Bahamut plus have just Diamond and Amethyst Carbruncle, it be really work well for summoner. when I got 70 on summoner I final felt like it become summoner again. Summoner's Demi could give buff for example

    instead have it summon Bahamut it could

    summon have selection of Demi to chose for. see to me summoner is only draw on the Prime power for short time while carbruncles are more could a faction of the Prime more like a small factions

    Also Diamond and Amethyst could thunder and Ice carbruncles

    sorry
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    Last edited by Savagelf; 10-05-2017 at 10:55 PM.

  3. #13
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    Ghastly's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngaratoSvartberg View Post
    not the case in FFXI at all. they were too good. rdm and bard (and later corsair and geomancer) were some of the most requested jobs in the history of the game. bard being the best. if you played bard you basicly had to set yourself on do not disturb or people would ask you all day to come do stuff.
    Hmm but it's like another person said, they're either only good in few situations or too good and required, balancing pure support classes is a nightmare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    I really think if summoner could have all they summon Demi and have carbruncle more as the fight between demi and companion it work well. if summoner could have demi titan garuda and Ifrit aswell as a Demi Shiva and Ramuh and Bahamut plus have just Diamond and Amethyst Carbruncle, it be really work well for summoner. when I got 70 on summoner I final felt like it become summoner again. Summoner's Demi could give buff for example

    instead have it summon Bahamut it could

    summon have selection of Demi to chose for. see to me summoner is only draw on the Prime power for short time while carbruncles are more could a faction of the Prime more like a small factions

    Also Diamond and Amethyst could thunder and Ice carbruncles

    sorry
    No need to say sorry savagelf. Your idea is a good opinion as any opinion, no worries
    Summoner as support is a nice/fun idea and I wouldn't mind if it got more support skills like borrowing buffs from the demi summons like you said. Ifrit could give damage, garuda skill/spell speed, Titan defense.

    Things like that are really fun I agree. But I don't like puuuuure support classes. I still want summoner to be dps first and maybe support as second role.
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  4. #14
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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    As noted, dedicated Support roles simply wouldn't work in FFXIV. If their benefits are too substantial, they become mandatory in group comps aka what happened with Astro when Balance was buffed into the moon. On the other hand, if their benefits are minimal, why take them at all over a damage dealer? Attempting to balance that fine line is nightmarish. And let's be honest, the dev team already struggles with the current system.
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  5. #15
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    Renard Lefeuvre
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    If anything, I feel they could be more flexible about balancing the support we already have on offer. Not in terms of raid balance (though obviously that has to be considered with any changes), but just in terms of fun. I feel that my BRD and even BLM offer more interesting support than my WHM, outside of the obvious healing duties. I want to help people more, and in more interesting ways, but I don't think we need to rework the core party design to accomplish that.
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  6. #16
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    Lho Polaali
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    I think Support is also what you make of it. SAM, for instance, has zero built-in utility aside from its high damage, but that doesn't stop me from crossing over Goad and Leg Sweep and Feint. People really don't expect SAM to do anything but kill things and suddenly I show up lmao.
    Then you'll have the occasional BRD and MCH who won't cross Tactician and Refresh. So it really is also a matter of how you use the cards you're dealt.
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    Last edited by BillyKaplan; 10-06-2017 at 04:33 AM.

  7. #17
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    Lufie Newleaf
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    I would play a support role, I think it's possible to design one that's engaging enough, but yeah it will never happen in this game. 3 roles forever. Next time they make an FF mmo I'd like no roles, I think it limits creativity because jobs need to meet certain criteria for the role they are in and are homogenised a little.
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    Enyalios Ares
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    Bard isn’t a support. Bard is a DPS. End of
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  9. #19
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    Aurelius Lyon
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    The reason why the devs won't add a support role is because it means every single content will have to be adjusted to put them in, and they don't have time for that. Hopefully I remember it right.

    I like how support abilities are baked into tanks, healers and DPS so let's keep it that way.
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