RDM: Does it get fun at 70?

[Karshan]

Yes actually. It's not only about complexity of rotation it's the difference between a fight and a dummy.
BLM has one of the simplest rotations all skills considered. But it's one of the most difficult to use in a raid environment because it needs perfect conditions to do well, because of the timers and the order of things. In short : simple and elegant loop, but put sand in the gears, mess a spell, and...

Red mage : even more simple than BLM (who has less skills BUT a rotation). Here on RDM, really simple to keep track of your jauges no matter the environment. You have 4-5 base spells with no Dots to track, no timers, and it's just a metaphorical clockwork (neutral or proc - wind - neutral or proc - thunder - repeat until 80/80 or 40/40 if manafication up). You have ONE buff, that is on a long timer so buff optimization is not the hardest part.
The thing is : optimisation on RDM is a thing, and I don't master it, BUT basic rotation does a really decent job. Basic rotation on some other classes, doesn't work out very well.

[Tzain]

Yes actually. It's not only about complexity of rotation it's the difference between a fight and a dummy.

Makes sense to me and it lines up with what I've seen (also describes why Red Mage is more fun for me than Black Mage I think)
But as comparative value, which job would you consider moderately complex/most complex?