4.1 and us healers

[Trufrost]

What changes are you excited for? What are you hoping happens?

[Seoulstar]

I wasn't even aware something about 4.1 came out..

[RyuDragnier]

A revert of the SCH Adlo/Succor MP costs.

[Aetherstar]

A revert of the SCH Adlo/Succor MP costs.

This. Lawd. This.

[Foxkid]

A revert of the SCH Adlo/Succor MP costs.

Did they used to be cheaper I assume? I tend to try not to use them except for shielding or an actual group heal because my mana dies when I need the shielding.

[Hestzhyen]

WHM PI and Confession... confession stacks should last longer or have higher potency at 1-2 stacks. PI would ideally be useful outside of O3S/O4S but niche skills aren't necessarily a bad thing. Have Lilies be a resource worth thinking about without making them RNG again- as it is they're not worth thinking much about unless I need to intentionally overheal with a Cure I so I can have a flower for Divine Benison. Really sub-optimal and irritating, to say the least. I either have skills off CD or I don't, I know CDR is kind of a BIG DEAL but it doesn't feel beneficial in practice.
AST Noct shields getting the slightest of nerfs, either potency or cost. Especially the Aspected Benefic version. No bat smacks, just a small slap on the wrist.
SCH pet AI responsiveness improved, Selene ability buffs/reworks, and maybe a very slight cost reduction on Adlo and Succor. Not enough to make them spammable again but enough that less optimal players won't go OOM after a few casts. Seems a tad too punishing even if SCH is meant to be the "thinking player's healer".

[Metsonm]

Have Lilies be a resource worth thinking about without making them RNG again- as it is they're not worth thinking much about unless I need to intentionally overheal with a Cure I so I can have a flower for Divine Benison. Really sub-optimal and irritating, to say the least. I either have skills off CD or I don't, I know CDR is kind of a BIG DEAL but it doesn't feel beneficial in practice.

They binned the original Spear card because cooldown reduction was so weak.

I still think lilies should give a speed buff. Not as much as Presence of Mind, maybe only like 5% at 3 or something, but that would probably give us more to think about. Does he REALLY need a shield or can I just heal and get 2 lilies rather than 1? Should I use Assize now or will the speed buff give me more damage before it's absolutely needed? Those sorts of questions.

It will give us a reason to want to build up cures and play into the 'pure healer' hole they dug for us.

[kikix12]

Not enough to make them spammable again but enough that less optimal players won't go OOM after a few casts. Seems a tad too punishing even if SCH is meant to be the "thinking player's healer".

Adloquium, when it does not crit, heals for a total of 600 potency, which is 100 potency less than White Mages Cure II and 50 potency less than Astrologian's Benefic II. Scholars also have no trait that would give extra effect to Adloquium (free cast for Cure II from White Mages or guaranteed critical for Astrologian). More, White Mages get lillies on top of everything. And even MORE...the 300 "healing" in the form of shield can be wasted if the target will not be hit in the next 30sec.

There is absolutely no reason why Adloquium shouldn't cost around the level of Cure II. Succor around the level of Medica, maybe even a bit less, but that'd be a stretch in higher content. Especially since Scholars are worse in mana regeneration now than they were (and the cake goes to White Mage).


As for cooldown reduction, it is a powerful effect. The Spear sucked simply because it had vastly better competition, not to mention, it was an outside reduction. In the time The Spear was active, the person could have all their cooldowns...on cooldown. So it was often wasted. But lillies will be there the whole fight until you actually use them and they will affect the relevant abilities certainly. If you think that 12sec reduction on Assize is irrelevant then clearly you didn't bother to do the math.

In a 10min battle, you would cast normal Assize 10 times. With three lillies, you would "cast" it 12.5 times. That's 3750 potency healing and damage instead of 3000, and 125% mana regeneration instead of 100% mana regeneration. You can cast 25% more spells within the same 10 minutes, just on that. And there is zero reason why you couldn't have three lillies for every cast of Assize, even without having to go bonkers over it. In normal dungeons with normal mobs, there are times when I end up generating six or seven lillies over the span of a minute, just cause the tanks gather multiple hard-hitting mobs. And boss fights offer enough damage to be healed through.

[Jxnibbles]

CDR is not a powerful effect with our current boss patterns.. What..?

You literally plan your cooldowns around a fight which makes the randomness of CDR useless..

Its nice in dungeons but then 6-7 Lilies in the span of a minute in a dungeon.. Wouldn't the 6-7 gcds be better spent since Tetra, Bene, Aslyum, Regen, Holy (Stuns) and maybe a Cure per pull is enough for Dungeons..

[kikix12]

Its nice in dungeons but then 6-7 Lilies in the span of a minute in a dungeon.. Wouldn't the 6-7 gcds be better spent since Tetra, Bene, Aslyum, Regen, Holy (Stuns) and maybe a Cure per pull is enough for Dungeons..

When was the last time you made several random groups through a roulette?! Do you really think that it's possible to make do with that every time?! Not to mention, I myself am not decked out with the "best" gear. Add to that a tank that can get from 100% to 20% in a span of five seconds every so often when the mobs use their burst skills, and no, cooldowns alone will not do anything when the fight takes about a minute or more. And Benediction have a long enough cooldown to not be available more than once each few pulls.

Holy can stun for a total of seven seconds I believe (4, 2 then 1), and the mobs WILL get hits after the second and third cast before you can do anything again. They will also get hits in before the first triggers, even with Swiftcast. It mitigates some damage, but in a greater scope, it will not replace actual healing.


I'm tired of people using premade, greatly overgeared parties as the "basis" for everything that is related to dungeons. The actual game that most people play is not difficult, but it's not nearly as "neat and tidy" as you would make it believe. If I checked the forums before starting the game, and if I had no brain of my own to use, I'd think that I do something terribly wrong, just cause I actually need to use more than Regen on random encounters in dungeons...

As above, Spear's problem in raids was that people tend to pick up a very specific cooldown rotation. For example in O4S, you could throw all the cooldown reduction at me that you wanted, I simply wouldn't use it as pretty much everything is set in stone.

But Spears were random and not guaranteed. Ask yourself this. If all your cooldowns had guaranteed 20% reduction in cooldown all throughout the fight, wouldn't you work your rotation around that?! If you would, then cooldown reduction in the form of lillies is quite beneficial. Lillies are there and you can plan for them after all.