Black Mage

[Remedi]

I kinda would like Sfia to give an overall impression about BLM and ultimate tbh

[Altera]

BLM is perfectly capable of doing high damage (or at least decent damage) in Neo, so these guys neglecting BLM for that duty are just being jerks. Unending on the other hand is a legitimate issue.

Does not matter if its Ultimate or Shinryu Ex, O4S etc, no class should be on the NO ENTRY LIST
It is thanks to ACT and FFLogs that BLM is in this position atm, as if people didnt use these TOS breaking Softwares, people can't point fingers who needs to be removed.
This is why I hated Recount and later on Gearscore AddOns in WOW. People use them more often than not in the bad way

[Altera]

Well i already noticed that the ones who stick to their mains in worst or overbuffed moments at all arme very rare in this community. There is always a "worst" cls, never understood that most of the com chose it's cls by meta and numbers instead of lore and personal likings. Btw switching cls waiting for buff/fixing is still a whole different thing than quiting the whole game flaming devs and company, which was actually the point i answared to ^^

edit: but im totally with ya about fflogs i just hate that it steers everything nowadays yes indeed. but it's on u if u wanna please the com and follow the trend or if u just give a shit about this convention or what people think and wait until the situation gets better by buffs/adjustments. People may say "good call smn" but those people should he aware that i stick to smn since 3 years and personally dont give a fck if im an undergog or masterrace right now - im just a summoner. You seem even, would be sad if you would quit without at least waiting for the lets say first-try adjustments to Blm soon. : /

I am just Vote with my wallet kinda person, like with EA Games, Activision and Ubisoft. Not purchased a single game from them in over 5 years until I see the companies changes their views on the lootbox greed.
Back in 1.0 when I first started playing XIV, I played all classes to 50, and out of every class, I found BLM to be the most interesting and fun class to play as well as Lorewise, plus I love thunderstorm in real life, so since BLM has Thunder, I play BLM.
RDM I also tried, but did not like its playstyle at all. I also suck at tank and healing, but also I dont like that either. I prefer dishing out damage and make bosses go byebye xD

I am gonna continue lvl my other classes, as I cannot do anything much else in game now, and wait for 4.2 to roll out, and if no changes. I am going to shift my subscription from XIV to WOW, and give the game a fair chance. At least there will be more stuff to do contentwise in WOW and Unholy DK than XIV and BLM atm :/

[Llugen]

Erm. If you think the problem is calculating the data accurately to discover that it sucks rather than the data itself being bad and in need of changing, then I'm not really sure what to tell you.

[zuzu-bq]

I'm really getting annoyed with the EU community thinking they can't take BLMs for Neoexdeath. Please fix this job Yoshi...

It's not that they can't. It's more of: the chance of a BLM player not letting you clear is higher than any other job.

@Altera
It's not 3rd party's fault only. You'll oftenly find more BLM players lacking than anyone else. And when you don't know who is joining your party, why not clean up the chances of someone bad joining by locking that job? Good BLM players can mostly play other jobs anyways.

[Neela]

Erm. If you think the problem is calculating the data accurately to discover that it sucks rather than the data itself being bad and in need of changing, then I'm not really sure what to tell you.

well the problem is not the datamining itself sure its good to see the balance in numbers but the curse of that is not only argument to tell the devs something is wrong (whats okay) but punishing other player just for their own ego who aren't responsible for that situation. Thats what makes datamining horrible. If you don't please peoples opinions right away you are out without even getting the chance to prove if you could be still good enough for certain content. Also if people don't go with the meta comps or rotas they called be noobs or clueless just another point what makes me bluff when someone starts to talk about statistics.

[Lina_Slayer]

The problem for PFs is not that on 75th percentile+ BLM is 3rd or 4th on personal dps (and more than likely 8th on total dps contribution) if you have on a random PF a 75th percentile BLM he may as well be one of your best members even if the class is subpar, the problem is that at 10th percentile for example BLM has the second worst personal dps (only beating RDM which is invaluable on bad parties anyway) so if you are pugging you are much more likely to get a bad BLM than a good one and see your group dps sink, not to mention it is almost DRG level in terms of dying making it even more undesirable.

As for people blaming ACT, fflogs and data collection softwares in general, sorry but it's like shooting the messenger, the data collection softwares only expose the complete mess that is the current game balance, BLM is only one in a list of problems that includes, but is not limited to things like the most OP dps class in the game also being the only one capable of threat control (put Shadewalker on cross role please!!!!), DRG and NIN being so much better than their melee peers it is laughable, DRK being worse at everything than the other tanks with 0 redeeming qualities, the mess that is Disenbowel, 4 dps class (MNK, RDM, BLM and SAM) added together have almost 4 times less Ultimate clears than NIN and 3 times less than SMN, when the game is this poorly balanced you can't blame anyone but the devs and if this mess is not talked about in the LL tomorrow, I will start to lose faith.

[Neela]

actually you can blame the player if they lockout cls which already cleared o4s and even unending coil. cause that proves that its doable, maybe it takes more effort or high skill player but its not that BLM or any other cls are a 100% point for failing - its just underperforming and those who lockout those cls are just to ego for what ever reason... inpatient, overselfconfident, lazy/carrying... and for that behavior I definitely blame the playerbase and not the dev team. -> reason for this behavior is undeniable the addiction to perfection which fflogs etc forces us to praise.

like I said before I admit that its a must have tool to control balancing yeah but its not the excuse for every mimi-behavior Imo...

[NovaUltimatum]

There probably is some truth to blocking BLMs from parties because a lot of them fail, but having seen O4S pug groups this week I get the impression they need the caster raise to avoid wiping because most healers seem to really struggle keeping people alive when balancing their heals with raises.

[zuzu-bq]

There probably is some truth to blocking BLMs from parties because a lot of them fail, but having seen O4S pug groups this week I get the impression they need the caster raise to avoid wiping because most healers seem to really struggle keeping people alive when balancing their heals with raises.

It's a bit of both! Haha.