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    Quote Originally Posted by zuzu-bq View Post
    Spellspeed won't lose it's value on BLM, simply because your whole damage is still tied purely on a Spell by Spell basis. It won't be as good, just won't be worthless either. People might actually just find a sweet spot for it.
    Before HW, BLM wanted SpS because our spells hit harder than anyone else's making DET less necessary. In HW, not only did the need for SpS increase because we had slower attack spells (Fire IV and Blizzard IV) but we also needed to weave Blizzard IV in order to keep Enochian up. In SB, SpS is still required so we don't lose Enochian, because Fire IV and Blizzard IV don't refresh Astral Fire nor Umbral Ice.

    ...yeah, I see SpS lasting for BLM for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzain View Post
    So basically Black Mage would be this
    Blizz IV till full MP, Fire III, Fire IV till no MP, Blizz III, repeat?

    And the only reason Blizz III and Fire III are in there is to cycle between the phases since the IV spells are locked up.
    Ugh, no please. I'm glad I'm out of the level range of mindlessly spamming 1 skill. I like how you have to weave in fire I to keep enochian going, it just needs to be easier to keep it going during movement heavy fights.
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    Zuzu Belloq
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    Spellspeed was never required. You could and can still play with the lowest SpS numbers and perform well. Buff timers just become harder to deal with.
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    Zera Vyre
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    Speed is good because two reasons:
    -infinite resource means no exhaustion
    -longer cast times mean more total time “saved” from adding speed

    Now, speed also increases Thunder DoT damage.

    Speed was always important for single target bosses that lived a long time, but I always kept a crit/det build for dungeon AoE pulls.



    Edit: I suppose there is a third reason that speed is good, it's the most "consistent" stat. You could have 2000 crit and still get really unlucky and land no crits, but speed reduces the GCD no matter what at no variable chance, unlike dh crit det. Granted, the DoT power is still a damage range, but I digress.
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    Last edited by Llugen; 12-17-2017 at 05:55 AM.

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    Not to mention that good feeling of throwing spells at the enemy at light speed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    Not to mention that good feeling of throwing spells at the enemy at light speed
    Nothing feels better than Leylines with an enhanced arrow.

    BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    Nothing feels better than Leylines with an enhanced arrow.

    BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM
    Speed is the best feeling on a BLM, because we essentially get a gattling rocket launcher for a DPS class.
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    So since we are at it, why not spending two words about Drain, Break and Erase?

    I mean they are pretty lackluster skills in our role options and could use some polish
    How about making drain to work like Bloodbath but on magic dmg?

    Break could become an instant ability or something more impactful since the dmg is worthless and it could be useful in a renaud-like mechanic who knows

    Erase.............I got nothing on it tbh......maybe remove it and make tether a role skill so that all jobs have the same aoe bind skill and don't want a job ability slot who knows....
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    All BLM needs is speed, raw power never scales well vs %s unless speed is included.
    Yoshi could even include it as ab extension of the Enochian language to spell the word for "fast" using Umbral hearts/Foul.

    Foul would hold the first 2 phonetics for Fast
    Blizzard 4 would hold the last 2
    By the time 2 fouls occur it will spell fast in enochian resulting in instant casts X number of umbral hearts or just 3 solid insta casts per 2 fouls and 2 b4s.
    Tie the activation to hitting the Enochian button while its already active to activate OrUnFamGisg.

    Or IPZI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycofang View Post
    All BLM needs is speed, raw power never scales well vs %s unless speed is included.
    Yoshi could even include it as ab extension of the Enochian language to spell the word for "fast" using Umbral hearts/Foul.

    Foul would hold the first 2 phonetics for Fast
    Blizzard 4 would hold the last 2
    By the time 2 fouls occur it will spell fast in enochian resulting in instant casts X number of umbral hearts or just 3 solid insta casts per 2 fouls and 2 b4s.
    Tie the activation to hitting the Enochian button while its already active to activate OrUnFamGisg.

    Or IPZI.
    That's... actually not the worst idea I've heard for rebalancing Black Mage. That said, it could use some more power as well (we lost so much between HW and SB) but this is a step in the right direction.
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