Black Mage

[Shiroe]

Well, while they didn't go into details they did said they received words of complaints about BLM

if it's due to the (towards us silent) devs/admins here, giving Yoshi our feedback..., a big Thanks towards them for sending our complaints (!)

I cannot help but fell afraid they will fail at giving us BLM what we really need.

same here, still worring till its implemented.. (and fear it might help at start of 4.2, than be obsolete soon after for the rest till 4.3....)

and still a bit sad, that there's no small/fast fix before 4.2.. (probably for the long wait, Yoshi gester of humblness was the "being shamed" thingy...)

[Neela]

Why Bring the Black Mage when the Summoner does it all better and the Machinist is just as good with better party boosts?

because maximum in everything isn't the goal for everyone thats why. this is not about balance - this is about elite and casual and if casuals wanna raid with Blm (or another unlucky cls) they should get the chance to do so; and the chance is given by SE but not by our own community - this "why should someone take x over y" is a problem caused by players not by the devs. I know the least of you want to hear that but well.... there lies some truth in it no matter what you may say now.

sometimes self-reflection gonna hurt : /

[Lina_Slayer]

The devs are way too slow to fix obvious problems (DRK and BLM being the main ones, but MNK and SAM will need some love soon as well), BLM has been bad for months now and it just started being locked out of PF recently, if the devs had given the urgency the issue deserved it would not be a problem so yeah it is their fault, by the way only doing balance on big patches is just a bad idea overall.

[zuzu-bq]

this "why should someone take x over y" is a problem caused by players not by the devs

When a game has an issue like this you have to either embrace it and work around it, or work on ways to prevent of it to happen. Simply ignoring it exists only hurts the game. So saying this problem shouldn't be taken care because it's not a dev induced problem isn't very good.

[Neela]

When a game has an issue like this you have to either embrace it and work around it, or work on ways to prevent of it to happen. Simply ignoring it exists only hurts the game. So saying this problem shouldn't be taken care because it's not a dev induced problem isn't very good.

so you want the same hot fix smn got - and be blamed to be overpowered again just because the comm can't wait for a proper solution? well beeing up again would change the view right...? Smn is still fucking broken even though its the strongest dd atm. but top dps doesn't meant that all changes for us were good - infact most of them were bullshit and have a "lets please the com" or even "we don't know how to fix it" touch on it. If you want the same for Blm I won't discuss this any longer.... just tell me ^^

noone said they should ignore it but overrushing like they did with us is not the answer...

[zuzu-bq]

SMN fixes followed SE's philosophy for the expansion, making the jobs easier to play and less punishing. A big complaing at Stormblood release over SMN was that the rotation was too strict, punishing and by no means intuitive. 4.1 changes covered a bit of that, players that were expected to manipulate MP perfectly to deal good damage now can just swing by spamming the same ruin Spell. Ruin IV procs had to be ignored for WW and making it into R2 instead let them not be. Another issue SMN had was that sometimes players couldn't understandd that R2 to avoid clipping on DWT which was your "R3 spam window" was good, so they made every R3 instant to cover that up. Altought this have changed SMN gameplay probably forever, they covered really big issues SMN have had, some that even came from their HW iteration. On top of that, SMN is not broken. Its just the only caster that comes closer to Physical Raged DPS. MCH is still stronger.

So, if I want them to do the same thing they did to SMN? Sure, adressing design problems BLM had for a long time would not only make the job more enjoyable to play but break the stigma the class brings anytime they join a PF party. I am a BLM player, and I hate to see BLMs joining my party simply because its a job with a lot of space to screw up and die or do bad damage. This is the whole point of this thread: show that BLM has actually noithing of desirable in it, not even what the devs had claimed it to have. And why this is the case.

When a job has absolutely no desirable trait for the team members on a game about team work... that is a big problem. While all BLM needs to be more used on high level play are simple potency buffs, QoL changes would make players that can't be bothered to play it because of their turret playstyle enjoy it more and pug parties being more open to it. Which funny enough, is exactly what happened to SMN. They got more damage and started being used in high level play by the time DoTs were buffed, then QoL solidified it as a fun job for a big part of the community.

[Llugen]

A formal response to this thread or some of the other threads regarding BLM would be very well-welcomed, or if they made a thread of their own with their own set of issues they are addressing. The fact that they acknowledge that it needs help is good, but it should be painfully obvious, so I'm not sure that it makes me "feel tingly", to be blunt. I would be much more curious into their insight for what they will actually DO with the job because it desperately needs attention.


By the way, MUCH to my dismay, the more I play SMN in dungeons the more I realize that not only is BLM's single target damage in desperate need of help, its AoE damage is as well. To recap what I said some 20 pages back, SMN is about burst damage, AoE included, and BLM is about "sustained" damage. Thing is, sustained damage is useless if everything is already dead within the "burst". Please please please devs, read what we are saying.

[Neela]

The fun part u discribe is just the fact that u can easily put out decent dmg as casual player like SAM on SB release that’s all. Aetherflow, deathpenalty, Egi response, missing m2 are still messed up. Using Addle for dps and no control over Entons movent are indeed things I call broken - u are easy to please if u would be satisfied with similar changes to Blm. So got any other arguments than raw dps? I’m curious really...

[zuzu-bq]

I don't need to provide any. I just explained all I can and you simply ignored and complained of unrelated stuff.

[Neela]

Like i thought you don’t have any and btw I haven’t complained I just asked if Blms want unthoughtful fixes like we got. End of story.