Black Mage

[Remedi]

-Fire IV/Blizzard IV back to 280 potency

I think that making them 2.5 secs cast would be a better choice than a potency increase (that's also one of the reason why I would prefer for enochian to upgrade f1 and b1 to f4 and b4)


(also make scathe have a canche to proc thundercloud and/or firestarter instead of the actual proc and maybe cost 0 MP)

[Bernkastelx]

I wouldn't expect more than simple potency increases looking at their track record. We will be lucky if they decide to do something about blizzard iv.

[Llugen]

I wouldn't expect more than simple potency increases looking at their track record. We will be lucky if they decide to do something about blizzard iv.

I think it was Remedi that pointed out that there IS a precedent of "overhaul" changes on skills mid-expansion, they cited Shield Swipe specifically in 2.4, which is true. I think there are a few other examples, I suppose you could call the Tri-Bind overhaul pretty big (and Shake It Off).

[Llugen]

Personally, I'm ready to give up Scathe. Like I said in the other thread, Scathe doesn't need to be used at level 70, we are powerful enough to warrant not needing it anymore. I wouldn't be opposed to it costing zero MP or having a chance to proc Thundercloud/Firestarter, but that just adds to RNG factor and it would be much less stress on the Astral/Umbral timer if they just made Fire/Blizzard instant cast under Enhanced Enochian (and then you can STILL get your Firestarter proc if you're lucky).

[zuzu-bq]

Nothing really confirmed but players have noticed BLM spells to have something close to 2s base cast on Yoshida's Neo Exdeath replay. Might also be a replay bug. But we have this new small info to discuss around.

[Remedi]

Nothing really confirmed but players have noticed BLM spells to have something close to 2s base cast on Yoshida's Neo Exdeath replay. Might also be a replay bug. But we have this new small info to discuss around.

If that's true that's very interesting actually

edit: outside of ley lines cast time of F4 was around 1.84 secs

edit: also haste card was no longer on him either

edit3: same on foul so probably cast timers were gutted on all spells (well at least on the single target ones

edit4: though we don't know what food he's using

[Remedi]

Personally, I'm ready to give up Scathe. Like I said in the other thread, Scathe doesn't need to be used at level 70, we are powerful enough to warrant not needing it anymore. I wouldn't be opposed to it costing zero MP or having a chance to proc Thundercloud/Firestarter, but that just adds to RNG factor and it would be much less stress on the Astral/Umbral timer if they just made Fire/Blizzard instant cast under Enhanced Enochian (and then you can STILL get your Firestarter proc if you're lucky).

I'd rather give up on fire 1 and blizzard 1 than scathe, they had their purpose and now we are moving away and the need to refresh AF with fire1 is, while interesting on paper, a liability to us, scathe on the other hand could be improved to be more effective

[Llugen]

I won't disagree with your statement because it's true but the "logic" of it is bad. Whether or not the devs "intend" for wall to wall pulls is irrelevant. If it is possible to pull from wall to wall, you bet your bottom dollar that players are going to do it. With this in mind, either devs need to make walls or they need to adjust BLM's aoe damage, because if they don't, players will just take SMN. It's pretty much that simple.

SMN's burst damage comes mostly from aetherflow granting bane and two painflares, then of course deathflare and shadowflare and the pet aoes, and then the Tri-Binds that you can squeeze into DWT. It is a "DoT class" in that the bursts are reliant on the DoTs being up (Fester, Bane, and in turn successful landing of those things grants DWT/Bahamut), but the damage on the job no longer comes mostly from the DoTs.


Also I mean yeah sure, if you want to remove the timer that could be neat, but then there's no "punishment" to the foul timer requiring Astral/Umbral if it's just indefinite. But I'm game, I guess.

[Llugen]

But Fire I especially can grant a Firestarter. Fire + Firestarer is higher total potency than one Fire IV, by the way. Besides, we currently use Fire in the rotation/opener to upkeep Astral, which is really frustrating (another reason why my Firestorm suggestion would be nice, giving a free Firestarter after using three Umbral Hearts would mean 3x Fire IV Firestarter 4x Fire IV for each phase).


Scathe is so meh, and Fire is already still used, is my point. Let's just streamline the latter and drop the former.

[Remedi]

With then idea I'm saying that F4 would become an upgrade of F1 under enochian, which means F4 would proc Firestarter