Black Mage

[Altera]

Well this bloody situation is now making me boycott playing BLM until it is FIXED. I have had it with being removed from PF groups for Shinryu EX, let alone O4S groups simply cause I choose to play a BLM.

WoWs upcoming expansion actually makes me wanna return to give it another shot, even though I swore to never play WOW again due to how the Devs behaved, and how they messed up my favorite class there back in 2011. I gave WOW up for XIV in 2011, so in 2018, it looks like I'm giving up XIV for WOW :/

4.2, either needs to give BLM the love it deserves, or I am out which is a shame as XIV in itself is a great game, just ruined by class balance. Similar to how SW Battlefront 2 is a good game, just totally ruined by the lootbox progression system.

[Remedi]

Not to be offensive but you would drop FFXIV because of the class balance for a game notorious for it's atrocious class balance?

And frankly let me say this, If you are dropped from any content below ultimate because you are a BLM either you are doing soemthing wrong or you are better off without that group altogether

[NoctusT]

Not to be offensive but you would drop FFXIV because of the class balance for a game notorious for it's atrocious class balance?

And frankly let me say this, If you are dropped from any content below ultimate because you are a BLM either you are doing soemthing wrong or you are better off without that group altogether

Cant be dropped from content when they just exclude the job from pf.

[Remedi]

Cant be dropped from content when they just exclude the job from pf.

Yes but unless ppl are going for speedkills there's 0 reason to do that to begin with and frankly PF is a FFA considering what you can find in it

[Neela]

@Altera

a bit overacting... isn't it? I share Remedis opinion. Also its just one of how many jobs? 10? 15? and there are crafter as well... blaming the devs for balancing issues in cls evolving is silly... have Brds quit the game in ARR? Whms in HW? Smns in SB?... reducing all worth of this game to only one job even if its your favorite one isn't accurate imo... better days will come even for Blms : o

[Karshan]

@Altera

a bit overacting... isn't it? I share Remedis opinion. Also its just one of how many jobs? 10? 15? and there are crafter as well... blaming the devs for balancing issues in cls evolving is silly... have Brds quit the game in ARR? Whms in HW? Smns in SB?... reducing all worth of this game to only one job even if its your favorite one isn't accurate imo... better days will come even for Blms : o

Well to be honest, I'm SMN and I seriously considered dropping the game in SB on the week end it was available, out of disgust for the utter nerf they did before we hit 70. I spent 2 hours re arranging my hotbars on my 60 jobs, which was nice and fresh, then tried out what I dreaded : A12S dummy with the new SMN.

Saw the lock outs, saw I was being 20% less effective on A12S dummy. Was really angry. Then Raubahn Ex and server crowd problems happen while am almost hitting the breaking point... So yeah I can totally understand that class efficiency can ruin your game experience.

When you spend so much time playing that gameplay is the focus of 90% of the time you spend and discovery+story is only 10%, gameplay design becomes your primary concern.

[Neela]

Well to be honest, I'm SMN and I seriously considered dropping the game in SB on the week end it was available, out of disgust for the utter nerf they did before we hit 70.

Saw the lock outs, saw I was being 20% less effective on A12S dummy. Was really angry. Then Raubahn Ex and server crowd problems happen while am almost hitting the breaking point... So yeah I can totally understand that class efficiency can ruin your game experience.

When you spend so much time playing that gameplay is the focus of 90% of the time you spend and discovery+story is only 10%, gameplay design becomes your primary concern.

well I can feel ya since I started as smn in aar and main it until now - still not understandable that one drop the game cause of one cls if there are more than 10 others which are at least "okay" and playable, mmos are always evolving and devs always struggle in balancing but they always hear out the community as well - and if we are honest the FF-Crew even more than other companies - so all this "change that! or I quit" screams are a bit over the top... sure the devs have to know if the com is unsatisfied but if a 1-2 month balancing phase is to much for you to wait... maybe there are other games which please you more : /

[Lina_Slayer]

What we can't do is sugarcoat and try to find excuses for the devs, they are well paid for their job and what they have done to BLM is completely unacceptable, the job has 0 redeeming qualities and is bad for both progression and speed kills (worst dps on prog 2nd worst on speedkills) and since they have all the data to see this and decide to do nothing for so long they are completely at fault.

Is it enough to quit the game? Not for me at least, but I don't pay for Altera's sub so he/she have all the right in the world as a customer to quit/boycott when an obvious issue like this one is ignored for so long.

[Altera]

There is one thing about a class being slightly underperforming vs being purely ousted by the community due to it just have zero raid utility or any benefits, but just a headache having to work around the BLM.

I have played BLM since 1.0 in 2011, and I have been levelling other classes, but I simply do not enjoy their playstyle at all.
I actually blame people using ACT DPS meters and FFlogs that the BLM is in the place it is. If DPS meters hasn't been available, people would not cherrypick classes like they do now as they would have no idea which class setups is vastly superior.

And me quitting a game over this, is due to the reason back in WOW patch 4.1.3 when they totally messed up my Unholy DK class, and NOBODY wanted it, and I was forced to either leave the raid team or play another class or spec. And I played Blood, which made raiding so frustrating and unfun. It took the Blizzard devs about 3-4 months before they buffed Unholy back to normal and I fear 4.2 won't even fix BLM, making playing the game no matter what content as BLM, an exercise of frustration and simply no fun.
And I play games to have a fun time, and I prefer MMOs over all other game genres, and atm XIV is the only MMO which made me happy

I would prefer to play XIV 1.23 instead of 4.1!

And about if other classes being underperforming, overnerfed, yes they did quit. Just not the game. With Summoner being in a poor state at SB launch, there was almost nobody playing one as I noticed. Same with other classes in past patches as well.
Now that Summoners is the highest Caster DPS, I see so many Summoners around on server and in dungeons.

[zuzu-bq]

SMN was good at SB launch though, most of the rage was at the Bane and Deathflare nerfs (that was just), the horrible gameplay at 60 after the combat system overhaul and the fact a lot of people had no idea how to deal with the new tools while BLM was more of the same and RDM was an easy to play raise powerhouse.

BLM just have been underperforming since 3.2 and it's been so long that the community just roast any BLM they see. I personally don't like seeing BLM I don't know in my DF or PF parties, the chance of them being bad and drag the party down are too high. While on SB launch I didn't bother to have a SMN on my parties. It's just a job that when underperforms it drags everyone down with much more ease than any other ranged DPS, and when performs well it means that player can easily just play a better job.

Here is the thing though, SMN clearly had problems at its SB launch, so did BLM. Many BLM players been complaining of the same things since 4.0 came in, but they either got outshined by SMN complaints, since they had many more things going wrong, or simply dealt with it in silence. Now that SMN is in a good spot, I don't see why not keep making noise until SE realized what is wrong with BLM's new design.