Black Mage

[Dualgunner]

lol no I don't hate Blm - I hate the hypercritical behavior from most of the Blms Player, espacially the loudest cry-babys who actually were those people who make fun of us some month ago "chill out guys or just switch cls" - "deal with that" etc thats a huge difference - but now? saw any smn who talk like that nowadays?

Basically seeing one now telling black mages to stop whining and wait their turn. That count?

[Neela]

you didn't get the point...

[Dualgunner]

You're not communicating your point very well.

[Lina_Slayer]

I propose we stop feeding the obvious troll and go back to actual balance discussion... I was thinking that maybe a 100% uptime 10% magic vulnerability non-stackable debuff on ALL casters (not only BLM) coupled with potency adjustments would probably fix the double physical ranged meta by basically brute-forcing a caster into the meta and if they balance the potencies correct you can have BLM as the best caster on fights with little movement like OS2 and SMN/RDM as the prefered caster for high movement fights, we know there will always be a meta, but with fight design you can have different jobs being the meta for different fights...

[Dualgunner]

we actually never cried for DPS INCREASE or TOP RAID-RANKING POSITION we cried about the bad design and stack punishment. they tried to change that and the outcome was more dps but it was not just a pot buff like Blm now demand... : /

Really?

You have no real argument...so you're gonna virtue signal? "Oh the glorious and righteous summoners weren't at all worried about damage in stormblood"

Easy to talk like that now--when summoner is the de facto best dps in the game on its own right now. Black Mages are actively kept from parties for how little they bring, and red mages are used up and tossed aside for summoners once prog is done.

Maybe you specifically weren't asking for more damage ceiling. But SE certainly buffed smn up, and right now largely invalidate the other casters.

[Neela]

Really?

You have no real argument...so you're gonna virtue signal? "Oh the glorious and righteous summoners weren't at all worried about damage in stormblood"

Easy to talk like that now--when summoner is the de facto best dps in the game on its own right now. Black Mages are actively kept from parties for how little they bring, and red mages are used up and tossed aside for summoners once prog is done.

Maybe you specifically weren't asking for more damage ceiling. But SE certainly buffed smn up, and right now largely invalidate the other casters.

maybe you should consider that not everybody hunts for numbers? if u think that I just talk about cls-design cause im out of arguments, you are exactly one of them I mentioned before. I never denied that we are to strong right now - how could i ? I just said the situations were different - and yet if you try to deny that just shows that you run out of arguments yourself. Also Blms comm disagree intern whats the real problem is... some say lose your res than we talk bout balance (others say res don't give a shit), utility is way to strong (actually the utility haven't change much ever since) and than the main point more raw dmg due burst/dot uptime. i understand the number argument, cause thats actually true. So I guess if Smn would parse lower numbers res/utility won't be an argument anymore right? From my side you can have all the numbers dbl or triple smn parses idk but I would still say Mnk/Smn need cls-design rework.

[Maero]

Or maybe just maybe get out of your bubble of just playing smn before commenting on blm (or even Red Mage) ?
I play all 3 caster jobs but do not play smn enough so never ever do i post or did post in all of the smn complaint threads back when because i would have nothing of value to add to the conversations.
Fact of the matter is the SE fix was to buff smn to a point were other jobs are weak especially one which is supposed to be higher damage because i don't know has no utility?

[Dualgunner]

Lets drive the point home a bit.
In ultimate, 16 summoners have uploaded parses. More summoners have cleared ultimate than any other job. Red Mage has one uploaded parse. Black Mage has none.

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/19

[Dualgunner]

maybe you should consider that not everybody hunts for numbers?

Maybe you should consider you're in a black mage balance thread, touting the very real issue that since black mages don't do enough damage, they're excluded from parties, so yes a lot of people here are hunting for numbers.

if u think that just talk about cls-design cause im out of arguments, you are exactly one of them I mentioned before.

My issue is you gave off, and still do give off, a very anti-dps based sentiment here. Yes I'm concerned for black mages numbers because they're excluded for not bringing enough and, as Galvuu pointed out, also a hindrance in ultimate.

I never denied that we are to strong right now - how could i ? I just said the situations were different - and yet if you try to deny that just shows that you run out of arguments yourself.

I never said you did deny it. I said its easy to discount other job's low dps when your own is leader of the pack. What's the phrase? "I've got mine, screw you."

[Neela]

I said its easy to discount other job's low dps when your own is leader of the pack. What's the phrase? "I've got mine, screw you."

usually im not like "eye for an eye" but well now you know how we felt... actually everything Blms are going through right now, we actually did on Smn right before (disinterest's, party lockouts, being savage clowns) oh and what happened? we got over buffed - so will Blm. People know that but act like hell is frozen right now....