Black Mage

[TsuKoj]

It's been stated multiple times before in the thread, but mobility isn't the issue with blm atm or at least not the biggest one. The issue is that even when a blm has 100% turret uptime, they are still doing less dps than other classes. Blms identity is the immobile caster turret, and that's great, each class should have clear advantages and disadvantages. But they aren't properly compensated for their lack of mobility. Giving blms more mobility or giving then a raise isn't going to help blms as a whole, it's just going to close the floor and the ceiling for the job a bit. The problem is the ceiling is too low, anything short of significant dps buff or a redesign of the identity of the class itself isn't going to make blm anymore desirable.

Edit- to emphasize my point, blms in the 90th percentile have 99%+ uptime(I'm sitting at 99.5%) and still do 200 less dps than smn/sam on 1-3 and less than smn/sam/mnk on 4 while being only 100 higher or equal to drg/mch.

[Remedi]

that's an average at max dps blm have a higher cap then the other dps jobs, which leads to the problem of us having maybe a too big dps delta.
Personally I think they should balance the dmg of BLM in movements heavy fight to be on par or lower then SAM while higher a def higher dps in standing still situation (or patchwerk fight for who came from wow) this would also combat he fact that there's no caster meta comp.
Probably the ranged meta would win out eventually but we are talking about alternatives and not the next big thing

[TsuKoj]

All the max dps shows is that arrow > spear, and blms use arrow better than other people since they don't have ogcds. The max parses(for dps) are all padded parses where they feed the dps all the balance + spears, or for blm balance + arrow.

The max on o1s and o2s belong to a blm with near 100% single target(might even be enhanced) balance + arrow uptime and one of the blms even had their tank switch to smn just to feed contagion. The max on o3s are all groups with a 9:18-9:30 kill time, they held the boss until the adds spawned then did a balance + infusion quad flare. After those 6 blms it's a bunch of sams/smns with 8:30 kill times before the next blm shows up. In fact if you sort it by damage to boss, suddenly all the blms drop off extremely hard on o3s. On neo ex the max isn't even worth talking about since it's a long time before a blm shows up. The only non-padded max damage for blm that is comparable to the other classes is on exdeath, but it's still beat by smn and mnk.

The fact that you need a whole team sacrificing their dps(on the max blm parses, the other party members that are usually purple>oranges are instead grey>blue) for a blm just for the blm to match sam and smn.

[Lelila38]

Blm has always been the job that got most out of knowing the fight, knowing when they could stand still and put up their dmg buff, knowing which attacks to dodge to manawall/ward and which to eat.
Just since Sb all that doesn't matter anymore. You can literally play perfectly and still do lower dps.
The play perfectly and be rewarded by high dps that Blm used to have is gone. And it makes the class no longer feel rewarding to me.

[Remedi]

That needs to come back definitively

@tsukoji Ye I understand what you say, but we kinda need a way to get a measure of relative power and potential a job has and honestly all jobs can pad their dmg one way or the other some even easier than BLM tbf ofc the fact that is a padded parse and how that was obtained is something to be taken in consideration too, because as you said if to obtain such a power requires a big sacrifice from everyone that is bad
That said there are some BLM on eregular parses on O3s and they are ok on the main boss to the point I think they didn't change target which can be ok if you know that it'll die regardless in a few hits.

Heck I tell you I would honestly swap royal road effect iof bole and balance with ewer and spire

[Komaru_Tatoro]

Reading this makes me sad. I'm not alone, yet our voice aren't heard compare to smn in this recent patch. We really got no raid utilities that make us unique anymore. Can't the dev make LL sharable even in a nerfed form so that BLM can have a place in raids? ;_;
pugging for o4s clear for a week. no one joins a blm pf, meanwhile ppl posting on pf clearing for alt, gets fill up faster than eating a full course meal. then look at the pf to see there's not a single spot for blm on any of the clear parties.... why am I still playing a blm???

[IllyriaKnotfred]

The only reason I'm ok with BLM right now is because honestly I feel this is the most fun our job has ever played. But yeah, we have to work much harder than the other casters. We are penalized for mechanics to insane levels comparatively. If we want to do absolute optimal dps our healers need to be willing to babysit us so we can tank mechanics, not stack if not needed etc. We bring absolutely nothing to the raid except what is supposed to be our "superior" dps. But now we don't even have that.

[Demoniun]

The only reason I'm ok with BLM right now is because honestly I feel this is the most fun our job has ever played. But yeah, we have to work much harder than the other casters. We are penalized for mechanics to insane levels comparatively. If we want to do absolute optimal dps our healers need to be willing to babysit us so we can tank mechanics, not stack if not needed etc. We bring absolutely nothing to the raid except what is supposed to be our "superior" dps. But now we don't even have that.

Work much harder than other casters? Do you have at least SMN or RDM at 70? Cause i can agree RDM is easy to play, but w/ SMN you have to manage dots, SF, aetherflow stacks and DW trance. BLm is only a Fire IV spam and refresh when you finish MP. Ultimate Savage is only unfriendly content for BLM, but Deltascape tier is BLM friendly (maybe less O3s).

[Dualgunner]

Work much harder than other casters? Do you have at least SMN or RDM at 70? Cause i can agree RDM is easy to play, but w/ SMN you have to manage dots, SF, aetherflow stacks and DW trance. BLm is only a Fire IV spam and refresh when you finish MP. Ultimate Savage is only unfriendly content for BLM, but Deltascape tier is BLM friendly (maybe less O3s).

Sure it's BLM friendly. I would argue most fights far more SMN friendly if the numbers are anything to go by. In fact everything is. Summoners made the other two casters unneeded. There's no point to taking anything but a SMN into Ultimate; you can take rez dispenser RDM into Savage but if your group is good take SMN instead it offers far more. Poor Black Mage doesn't even have the rez dispenser title for that. It's outdamaged both with personal DPS and rDPS by SMN in every single fight.

[IllyriaKnotfred]

Work much harder than other casters? Do you have at least SMN or RDM at 70? Cause i can agree RDM is easy to play, but w/ SMN you have to manage dots, SF, aetherflow stacks and DW trance. BLm is only a Fire IV spam and refresh when you finish MP. Ultimate Savage is only unfriendly content for BLM, but Deltascape tier is BLM friendly (maybe less O3s).

Anyone who says BLM gameplay is "Only FireIV spam and refresh when you finish MP" obviously has no idea what they are talking about. There is absolutely more to the job and anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand that.