Black Mage

[BlackcatChen]

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Also yes, the class is very strong in dungeons, in the new 24 man, etc, but this raid tier favors in many ways SMN, particularly as it relates to movement. This is why most of my proposed suggestions for the class would help it with movement rather than damage, its damage is definitely high it just can't optimize said damage effectively, like, say, SAM can.

Nah, its damage with full uptime (100% turret) is still way too low for what the job is.

[zuzu-bq]

Even full damage uptime getting catered by your team and never having to move you're still doing less than other jobs.

BLM is kind of unapealing for new players because even with the Enochian change new people will still drop Astral Fire then drop the job right after. On top of that the job popularity goes on a downhill since 3.2. The job itself is fun but it rewards you poorly for doing the right decision making towards boosting your own damage and punishes you for playing safe, so I can see why people doesn't want to pick it up.

[Oshirigami]

I disagree with the idea of making ley lines buff allies that a number of others have said. It's just... too much like what every other job has been getting. Just straight up buff ley lines damage to BLM themself and it'll make them put down the numbers they should when they time its use correctly. Simple.
Every job does not need raid party buffs. But for them to be taken over a job that does have one, their personal dps needs to match the personal+contributed dps that others like NIN, DRG, MCH, and BRD provide.
The problem is that you currently have the top MCHs doing something like only 6% less personal damage than the top BLMs do, while also giving everyone in the party 6% damage which heavily outweighs that bit lower personal damage.
BLM needs something like 6-8% more DPS, which a 10-15% damage buff to ley lines would provide.

Personally I like having the job in content with me, even though I don't play it. It's easy to do decent damage with, even if it's not top. You don't see BLMs seeming to do less damage than your tank like you do with Monks, so much. But with how unfavorable the class is with its current tuning, I don't see a lot of them.

Also yes, the class is very strong in dungeons, in the new 24 man, etc, but this raid tier favors in many ways SMN, particularly as it relates to movement. This is why most of my proposed suggestions for the class would help it with movement rather than damage, its damage is definitely high it just can't optimize said damage effectively, like, say, SAM can.

I have to say, I'd prefer BLM having its lack of mobility but to have damage to make up for it. Hence why I think a significant Ley Lines buff would be a nice, at least short term, fix for the job.
Better mobility just makes it more like the other ranged DPS jobs.

I actually wish they had left the HW Enochian mechanic untouched. It was far more fun to me than it is now. Basically press the button once per fight then forget about it, kinda lame. But I really liked HW feel of Blm, so that might be the reason. Also losing half our skills with the class redesign kinda killed it for me.

I didn't play back then, but as I said, yeah the job seems boring and unappealing to me. Regardless, I think a lot of people like how it plays, and have the very fair point that the job doesn't do enough damage for the lack of utility and mobility it has.

Dunno, I keep thinking I really like the idea of BLM having a counter-spell that can block something that'd be a one-shot kill or close to it, and return utterly massive damage in return. It's something skillful, unique, and adds big damage to a good deal of content.
Like you hit the button, and you have a buff for 3 seconds that'll negate the next damage that would otherwise be 50% or more of your health, and return some huge damage in return.
It shouldn't stop disables, but the damage should be so big that being disabled for a few seconds is worth the damage done.

[Komaru_Tatoro]

I disagree with the idea of making ley lines buff allies that a number of others have said. It's just... too much like what every other job has been getting. ... Simple.
Every job does not need raid party buffs.

while not every job needs a raid ability but almost every job HAS a raid ability that BLM had to compete against. The only other dps left without any kind of raid ability is SAM but since its mobile and is easy to use to get high dps, BLM really got the short end of the stick.
Have you ever main a BLM and stick to it even without switching class for the higher raids? Not really picking you but BLM just can't compete with other dps when they can bring the overall raid dps higher than personal gain. Which is why BLM don't get pick most of the time for progs and even now for serious Ult Coil prog groups, smn/rdm > blm.

[Llugen]

Babysitting a class is not viable at endgame

Classes that bring nothing (yes, -nothing-. You say BLM doesn't need a raid buff probably in the ilk of "raw damage is utility" but damage IS utility, as outlined before) are not viable at endgame.

Classes that struggle to deal with movement/mechanics efficiently (losing the majority of damage due to movement) are not viable at endgame.

BLM is not viable at endgame.

[Remedi]

Babysitting a class is not viable at endgame

Classes that bring nothing (yes, -nothing-. You say BLM doesn't need a raid buff probably in the ilk of "raw damage is utility" but damage IS utility, as outlined before) are not viable at endgame.

Classes that struggle to deal with movement/mechanics efficiently (losing the majority of damage due to movement) are not viable at endgame.

BLM is not viable at endgame.

No offense but you might want to say suboptimal, non viable would mean beign rockbottom in all departments and I'm afraid I cannot consider the 4th personal dps job in the game to be a broken job.

There's a huge difference between suboptimal and non viable pls let not mix words as they are very important and despite all the problems a BLM can still do pretty good on the content aside from ultimate true but we'll see on that too.

to make an example: some ppl are using SAM over DRG in ultimate and hitting the dps checks in ultimatedespite the huge raid dps.
Thing is ultimately the skill of the player plays a huge factor and it's a huge possibility that we are overestimating the effect on raid dps as a whole

[Oshirigami]

while not every job needs a raid ability but almost every job HAS a raid ability that BLM had to compete against. The only other dps left without any kind of raid ability is SAM but since its mobile and is easy to use to get high dps, BLM really got the short end of the stick.
Have you ever main a BLM and stick to it even without switching class for the higher raids? Not really picking you but BLM just can't compete with other dps when they can bring the overall raid dps higher than personal gain.

That doesn't contradict anything I said. If anything, it's reinforcement of what I said.

Which is why BLM don't get pick most of the time for progs and even now for serious Ult Coil prog groups, smn/rdm > blm.

No it's not. It's because their personal DPS isn't high enough to overcome the lack of a raid buff.
SAM doesn't have this problem as much since SAM actually does damage.

The only reason I'm ok with BLM right now is because honestly I feel this is the most fun our job has ever played. But yeah, we have to work much harder than the other casters.

No you don't.
The numbers are skewed because the people who want the big numbers play and pad other jobs.

How BLM plays and has to time to mechanics is fine. Their DPS just needs to be raised.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

No it's not. It's because their personal DPS isn't high enough to overcome the lack of a raid buff.
SAM doesn't have this problem as much since SAM actually does damage.

This blatantly false. Samurai is widely considered the weakest melee due to its lack of utility and damage not being nearly high enough to make up the difference. Monk already nips at its heels and Summoner surpassed it with the recent buffs. Yes, Samurai brings high damage in a vacuum, but like Black Mage, it simply can't compete with Battle Litany, Trick Attack, Disembowel, Shadewalker and Smokescreen. Even the oft-maligned Brotherhood comes out ahead.

[Lelila38]

Even full damage uptime getting catered by your team and never having to move you're still doing less than other jobs.

BLM is kind of unapealing for new players because even with the Enochian change new people will still drop Astral Fire then drop the job right after. On top of that the job popularity goes on a downhill since 3.2. The job itself is fun but it rewards you poorly for doing the right decision making towards boosting your own damage and punishes you for playing safe, so I can see why people doesn't want to pick it up.

I actually wish they had left the HW Enochian mechanic untouched. It was far more fun to me than it is now. Basically press the button once per fight then forget about it, kinda lame. But I really liked HW feel of Blm, so that might be the reason. Also losing half our skills with the class redesign kinda killed it for me.

[Kabooa]

I actually wish they had left the HW Enochian mechanic untouched. It was far more fun to me than it is now. Basically press the button once per fight then forget about it, kinda lame. But I really liked HW feel of Blm, so that might be the reason. Also losing half our skills with the class redesign kinda killed it for me.

At least we can still shout "APOCATASTASIS" into voice chats. Just wish that ass swordmage across the way couldn't do the same.