Black Mage

[Kabooa]

Maybe we should find a common place on what lower skill and high skill is, sometimes I get the feelings that personal interpretations gets in the way

Upkeeps Enochian, doesn't overwrite foul, maintains T3 DoT, goes from 100-0 in Fire and 0-100 in ice. Basic mastery of the job's main gameplay mechanics.

Leylines, Convert, Sharp and Triple would be where you start going from basic to intermediate.

Slide casting, proc management, and specific holding / use of Swift/Triple/AM/BTL to minimize manual movement would be moving into advanced.

In Black Mage's current set up, you hit about 75-85% of your potential max on a dummy test with just the basics, move up to 85-100% with the intermediate, and whether or not you can maintain that is where the advanced section comes into play regarding actual boss encounters.

[Remedi]

Seems about fair enough

[HaroldSaxon]

That depends on if the 10k is just a baseline increase (potency) or skill based (ability interactions).

As it stands, it's not difficult to hit 80% of a job's output, meaning the 10k example would have most players doing 8k DPS.

Well I obviously wasn't being serious about the 10k DPS example, but every class has a discrepancy between perfect play and 80% of a jobs input. From a personal standpoint, i'd welcome extra difficulty with BLM (be it APM based difficulty or adaptation based difficulty), but if that happened I feel that it would need to happen across the board to all classes. But that absolutely is not the issue here - that's the skill floor of the class - not the ceiling which is the issue here.

[Shiroe]

posting here again, the 1st post adresses the blm issues very well (different solutions been posted in multiple posts and threads over the last weeks /months)

really hope SE's solution will make all blm happy (enough)

[NoctusT]

I'm glad that the devs have finally taken notice, though I wish they had done so on their own instead of us having to scream at them to do something about BLM.

[Remedi]

All jobs have screamed at them at one point, which is why we have most problems in the game tbh

[zuzu-bq]

All jobs have screamed at them at one point, which is why we have most problems in the game tbh

This is only half true. By 3.3 MCH and BRD were both completly overpowered because of this, yes. Same goes for Astrologian's actually broken Balance during Creator. Most of everything else that came up since Stormblood dropped didn't cause major issues. They are slowly trying to balance it going as far as not simply giving potency buffs like they used to do because those caused major issues before and they don't want to repeat it. Most ARR balancement changes also didn't create much more issues, and back then they actually cared on nerfing classes sometimes.

[Remedi]

after SB however they started doing what they were doing with HW answering too much on playerbase wrong feedback or misinterpreting them, so yes they kinda continued with that.
However I'm not stating that the balance is overall trash like in other games, but I think that they should be more careful on balancing especially on expansion release where frankly ppl should chill out for a while and experiment with the changes before saying anything.

Also maybe I should be clear that I'm not saying that all feedback from community are bad

[Shiroe]

in the past blm could "eat one aoe" and maintain its dps in emergency situations ..., today thats barely possible anymore (mechanics either force you to move even more ... or taking an aoe kills on the spot or gives a fatal debuff for the next mechanics)

blm could use such a "hollowed ground" buff again, like blm had in 2.x

(but a shorter aethermanipulation CD + a slight longer range,.. besides storing 2 of each proc could help in a more gameplay way)

[Lelila38]

In the past Blm also had 2 defensive buffs, Manaward and Manawall, one for physical the other for magical dmg. I was very sad, they removed that, I really liked having to plan and know which one to use.
Also were good days when you could negate an entire attack with it.