Black Mage

[Kabooa]

Even so, she still hampers with my rotation far more than I'd like, so either Blackcat is a lot better than she says she is (don't doubt it) or whatever..

Practice.

The very first Halicarnassus kill I had was after a grueling 9-hour stint of joining various practice parties and getting every mechanic down with the right cooldown to deal with it. There are still a few points where it gets iffy based on my Book square and Hali's jumps, but you can angle having a Firestarter for those to help deal with it, good use of Leylines and BTL, and Aether Manipulation.

[NoephieLuneau]

Even so, she still hampers with my rotation far more than I'd like, so either Blackcat is a lot better than she says she is (don't doubt it) or whatever.

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No offense, but did you ever consider that you're... just not good as BLM? I started pugging O3S a week ago and it took me 3 evenings with a few hours to clear it. Outside of the last phase, the fight is 100% predictable, lines up relatively nicely with your cooldowns and has a lot of opportunities to slide your way towards wherever it is you have to go before the mechanic even casts. For everything else, you have swift/triplecast and the ability to force procs with Sharpcast... or simply holding a proc. I found that Hali doesn't mess much with my movement unless I make a mistake.

[Shiroe]

os3 isnt a "big" issue for blm (besides some Rng in final phase, and besides losing 15 sec of aoe dps, where we could push our best numbers, due to having to LB3 during that phase, ..by the time the LB3 is over, so is the aoe phase with numerous adds over)

imo os4 and BU (and sometimes the last phase of Shunryu Ex or some phases of the 24-man raid) are the (mobility) issues of blm

aside of thise imo issues fights (unless maybe your static centers around you as a blm), blm has the biggest issues getting in prog or fast farm PFs.. (needs more dps or utility)

[Remedi]

Even Shinryu EX is really not such a big deal especially since the heavy movement phase in on around 1 min timer and the real pain in the ass is on the boss whim completely as he can sometimes simply never use that combo.

That said I think that ppl should actually think about how they use their tools in a fight before saying that a fight is prohibitive for a job.
Tools are given to be used and we have the tools to deal with the content at hand otherwise we might aswell ask them to give us instant casts on all spells.

That said what traspires then is that when you do your job right you are not reward with higher dps which it should be corrected asap

[Llugen]

Glad to see that I'm not the only one who can't seem to get through to Ellie.... kinda. Honestly, I mean no disrespect, but it's pretty mind-boggling to read responses that blatantly ignore statements or refuse to listen to reason.


Anyway, new topic for discussion: I think John Blaze made an interesting case in the BLM channel the other day saying that the job SHOULD be severely punished for needing to move unplanned, but have a MUCH higher reward for planning ahead/proper execution. He went as far as to say that they should reset the Astral/Umbral timer down to 10s and remove "movement only" tools like triplecast from the game.

This intrigues me, as it would encourage exceptional play, but it would widen the gap between player skill levels. Discuss.

Side note: I just need the LL already. And, Happy New Year!

[Ceallach]

Glad to see that I'm not the only one who can't seem to get through to Ellie.... kinda. Honestly, I mean no disrespect, but it's pretty mind-boggling to read responses that blatantly ignore statements or refuse to listen to reason.

This is entirely why we don't listen to you.

You have been given a ton of reasons why a Raise variant on a black mage is an incredibly stupid idea from multiple sources and multiple reasons, and you do not give a fig for anyone's opinion but those who agree with you. We all agree black mage needs help, but we don't all agree on what kind of help. You'd rather black mage gets more utility, we'd rather black mage gets more DPS (primarily because DPS is its primary function and it's failing there more than anywhere else right now). We can argue all year about whether black mage should be more mobile, do more damage, or anything else, but at the end of the day, it's not our choice. Maybe if you cared more about the black mage as a job and less about having your own personal echo chamber, your ideas would be taken more seriously. Maybe if you understood the devs care about both the lore and the gameplay, you could come up with ideas that were worth their time. At least EllieShadeflare and I are trying to come up with ideas that aren't just flat-out stupid.

But you don't care. All you care about is turning black mage into blue mage and garnering pity from people by saying you're "forced" to play jobs you hate. Frankly, I think it would be better if you just quit this game entirely and went to World of Warcraft, where idiocy like that is embraced and appreciated from what I hear.

I think it's best if we just let this thread die and stop talking to one another entirely. The devs have all the power, so let them use it. I've had enough.

[Kabooa]

I think it's best if we just let this thread die and stop talking to one another entirely. The devs have all the power, so let them use it. I've had enough.

I mean, you're free to leave at any time.

If the reward was legitimately amazing, though, it would be an interesting concept. Like imagine seriously BLM being able to do extremely high damage, maybe even close to double what it currently is, but you have to really think ahead and figure out how to minimize losses.

You can't even have Black Mage being too far ahead of Summoner, because then that starts the cycle of buffing all over again. Fact of the matter is swinging anyone too far out of the range of others, when the game by design is about a minimal DPS check that all party comps can theoretically reach, means you can't have any one job capable of joing +20-25% of the average of the others.

You can't have this.

If it's 5%, then it's easily ignored if that 5% comes at the cost of other tools. If it's 15% you're bordering on unacceptable levels and it's 5-15%, it's a toss up but you're still better off going with the Tool-bringer because they enable more.

The Melee, Ranged, and Caster roles require a fairly large rearrangement of the tools they bring, because currently it all favors Ranged, which means you want a Dragoon to boost them, and your last spot could technically be anything but it might as well be ninja because threat and Trick attack.

[Remedi]

It wouldn't just widen the gap, it would simply kill the job.
I know you all like to think about high end balance and all but the rest of the game still exist don't forget that

[Llugen]

I mean, would it "kill" the job, though?

How many HeavyshotspamBRDs do you still see and 123DRGs/NINs/SAMs? I certainly wouldn't say that their jobs are "killed", and they're probably pulling an estimated less-than-half their DPS potential.


If their [the developers'] "vision" for the class is to make it "rare" to see good BLM players who are very powerful, then this seems justified. I'm not saying I necessarily agree, by any means, it's just one line of logic.

[Remedi]

Weren't we discussing that ppl don't want BLM in parties because the chance of them beign terrible is high?

Imagine doing what was proposed woul do.
Not to mention it would make BLM completely unviable in the current content

Oh and I don't agree with that argument btw, frankly I should ban NIN from my parties if my general experience is of any indication