Black Mage

[Kabooa]

Or using it for TC proc too

@kabooa: Kaiten, life surge, barrage etc. they are all still here

I speak more specifically of Power Surge.

Life Surge can be used without terrible detriment on any of the 5th finishers or Full Thrust. Kaiten at least has multiple uses of Iaijutsu and Barrage doesn't specifically state "only use on Refulgent Arrow".

That being said, I'd consider them all to be on the chopping block moving into the next expansion.

[TheFanMark]

I mean we can't expect a clear skies when all we do is rain on their parade lol. It is fun to discuss but they stress like we do, they ask for feedback but that's always gonna be what they do, its never gonna be perfect. I'm all for discussing. But there has to be a clear sign of cool. There isn't a lick of cool in these forums. I understand all of them but we shouldn't read into everything like it has to be this or that. Locking out a person for their job choice, that's not cool. A BLM as a caster in any game offers little to no support for their team, whether in terms of buffs or what. There is still a formula that they want to follow as well, asking them to deviate would be an insult, and only add to the already hard load they have running an MMORPG

[Llugen]

AoE barrage on Foul would be sickkkkk


But still I'd rather see the adjustment to Freeze and potency increases otherwise. Particularly with Flare and its diminishing return. It's super harsh right now.


@Fan: A BLM in a single-player game requires zero "support" because there is no such thing as balance in a single player game. This is an MMORPG where class balance is not only a thing, but paramount to enjoyment of the content, particularly at the highest end of play. Consider that in the most recent interview, the developers apologized directly specifically to "BLM mains" for the odds being stacked so far against them for the current Ultimate trial. Again, they ask for our feedback, there is no "insulting" going on (or little, at any rate).

[TheFanMark]

Ok so your point is valid. Balance is always an issue, in every MMO, but as for enjoying, in terms of what, if you like the way it plays and it can get you through, then enjoy it, but as for High Level Content, there is always gonna be a class that plays better in said content. I mean to me that's a challenge to my skill. But I don't speak for every1. I mean if I can get a chance, and it gets done, then I'm set. But they are trying, we have to give em credit. They blew my mind with RDM. Even though I cant out dps shit I like the way it plays. and as for High Level Content, theres always new and inventive ways to play a job, in said content, I mean ultimately it boils down to ok its hard for this job but not this job, if we succeed, we succeed, if not and it boils down to that 1 job, then adjust but dang. Its like the game is slowly getting worse due to the ppl not the content

[Kabooa]

I mean to me that's a challenge to my skill.

I'm going to stop you right here.

You cannot outskill variance, sloppy party members, or raw toolkit advantages in high end content. You can't. You can be the best black mage in the game but if the healers run OOM, the tanks slip a cooldown, or the other DPS fail a mechanic, you die. Period. That's a lose. You lost. You can't scrape them up and you can barely cover the cost of it.

The inequities that get discussed are primarily between damage and toolkits, and as it stands, Black Mage is passable for damage (Re: We can pass every DPS check in this game, no synergy party buff burst windows required) but completely lacks the recovery / aid/ support options that other classes that do as much damage bring.

This may come as a surprise to you, but many of us still play Black Mage on our own time, but when push comes to shove, some of us switch over because it literally makes no sense to stay as what is essentially an obsolete class given encounter design. Playing the Uncle Thaum's Cabin card isn't going to improve this.

[Llugen]

Given that Refulgent Arrow now exists (finally), I'd say Barrage is perfectly safe from " the chopping block", but only time will tell.

Besides, you COULD use a double-potency for Thundercloud or even Fire IV if it was an emergency, or whatever, so the same logic applies.

[Kabooa]

Given that Refulgent Arrow now exists (finally), I'd say Barrage is perfectly safe from " the chopping block", but only time will tell.

Besides, you COULD use a double-potency for Thundercloud or even Fire IV if it was an emergency, or whatever, so the same logic applies.

I suppose this depends on the cooldown timer. If it was 60 seconds, outside the opener you'd pretty much only use it for Foul. It was 90 seconds you'd only use it for foul. 120, 150, etc. You'd need minus sub 6 second TCloud for it to break even and that's RNG based. It'd need to be something wonky like multiples of 40, 50, or 70 to not get relegated into "Just use it for Foul" because you can bank a Foul specifically for it and not lose out.

Compared to the other abilities, you can't 'Bank' those. You have to use the Sen before generating more or its a loss, depending where you fall along your combo for Life Surge (If you just used Full Thrust for example) you probably won't want to spend 24 seconds just to ensure it's on Full Thrust, and you probably don't want to risk losing a Refulgent proc via overwrite or timer to save it for Barrage nor bank on another happening soon when Empyreal Arrow isn't the worst use of it.

[Remedi]

Doesn't need to be double int, can just be something else, point is we need to hit HARD and atm we are not better than all the other jobs, all the discussions about changing other parts of the job is fine and all but at the end of the day we lack in firepower fropm ourselves, we don't have any form of burst unless maybe timing exactly 2 fouls back to back which is meh imho and honestly not that good either and ofc we don't bring anything else to the group in the form of support and there no caster support at all.

As such we need to compensate, probably they'll adjust our cast timers and maybe the potency, probably they'll go for the overboosting route to persuade ppl into bringing BLM in the groups, but if the idea for the class is to deal high dmg then they need to give us the possibility to do so.

Also about Single player games: Balance can be wonky in there too btw in FFX magic is useless because of how broken the celestial weapons truly are for example

[Llugen]

Also about Single player games: Balance can be wonky in there too btw in FFX magic is useless because of how broken the celestial weapons truly are for example

Yes but you're not shunning other actual people out of joining groups is my point. It's just you the single player figuring out the most effective tactic available (ha, see what I did there), so who even cares if it's balanced perfectly or not?

[Remedi]

Yes but you're not shunning other actual people out of joining groups is my point. It's just you the single player figuring out the most effective tactic available (ha, see what I did there), so who even cares if it's balanced perfectly or not?

Ye, mostly a rant about how broken balance in SP can actually be