Black Mage

[zuzu-bq]

Classes should be balanced based on their maximum or close to maximum output though. Since people will always try to mimic what is used by the best players, and when they say X or Y class are completly worthless, you start having that parroted everywhere making players that don't even care or know why that job is bad hate them or being forced to not play it.

This is unhealthy to any game community.

Also about Rescue: rescue usage discussio should be in healer forums, the better advice we can give to BLMs or any other player that are being hurt by it is ask your healers to not use and if they keep doing so contact a GM, that can be entitled as harassment. Even if it's not the GM might end up talking to the healer in question showing them how rescue can ruin other player's experience. Some healers have the best of intentions and the others just wanna use it becuase they want to enforce what they think it's best into others. It's up to we as players to communicate and get to a understanding at the end.

[Remedi]

However balance at high play is very hard to do because competitive play and speed runners actually search for the best outcome possible and that should be acknowledged as a fact.

[Llugen]

Certainly, but that doesn't mean that nothing should be done about it. The biggest reason that all the BLMs are upset right now is mostly because they advertise the job as "highest damage lowest utility" when in actuality they robbed it of its utility and it's NOT the highest damage. I don't think anyone in here is crying for BLM to be meta necessarily, and in all reality, it likely never will (see also: utility/support roles will always be stronger due to the way their burst phases/buffs stack together).

[Remedi]

Far from my intention of saying otherwise

[Llugen]

Conclusively, we're overdue for an "overpowered" patch like SMN is in right now, where they should just overbuff it so we can "have our glory" (also like PLD in 4.0 proper). *laughs in explosions*

[Remedi]

Well it's possible they are shortening our cast timers, surely none of the T3 or B4 things we proposed were discerned from the vid, maybe procs are OGCD now as some says who knows

In fact: speaking of any BLM issues atm is not very useful till they show us their intention hence why I wanted to draw attention to Drain and Break role actions.
Not exactly impeding problems but you know making them better

At least Drain since it would be the only way to sustain ourselves hence why I proposed a Bloodbath that works on magic dmg

[Llugen]

I mean in my opinion it never hurts to make suggestions. Worst case scenario they are ignored, but even if they are read and considered and ultimately NOT implemented, any idea can spark another idea that then gets implemented or reimagined. This is how brainstorming works~



I really just wish they weren't so tight-lipped about their adjustments until the last minute. Remember just how much backlash there was about the Lily system for WHM? It saved a lot of headache in the end, even though it was.... definitely heated....

I just wish they would release patch notes earlier and allow us to give surface thoughts feedback sooner so that we didn't have to wait another month (or up to 8 months) if something is absurdly wrong.

[Remedi]

They are tight-lipped because we as a community do not take things lightly and become histerical everytime we don't get the cookies we want

[Llugen]

I mean, you're not wrong with the whole becoming hysterical thing, but pre-emptive feedback and implications are a consideration for balance, certainly. Everyone wants to advocate for their main job, hopefully not to the point of "ridiculousness".

We hashed this out a long time ago, maybe even months at this point, but while the developers obviously know their game well and do testing, the players who play the game day in and day out and theorycraft and are highly skilled/efficient at calculating/"feeling" out the jobs can tell them indispensable information about the game. Working together is how we achieve solid class balance, just like yoship said in the anniversary event vision a few years back.

[Remedi]

Honestly they only need a direct contact with few ppl that can thoerycraft, forums are not a great place for feedback because of how varied visions of the game are not to mention the fact that on average ppl are not objective enough to discuss balance.
Class balance in reality is a place where the quality is more important than the quantity at least in my opinion

The fact that they had the SB prewiew of the content before exp release, might be a sign of them taking this approach since not just famous streamers were invited but also some good players, however taking NDA is still a risk, it would be better for them to simply hire good players problem is they have the japanese language barrier that is really clogging many wheels of the game.


Talking about the primary might be extremely unfruitful until we get a base to which discuss, since what we have now we can consider them to be outdated datas
That aside we can now focus on the secondary skills of the job and the role actions.

As I said we could change drain to Blood magic (EX passive of the Emperor from FF2 in DIssidia games) which converts magical damage done to health

I think this is the only way to make drain meaningful because I think SE doesn't want to make it stronger than Ruin the only other alternative would be making drain heal for 3x times the dmg done (which incidentally might make it balanced across the 3 jobs in comparison to Blood magic which would be less powerful on SMN because much of their dmg comes off dots and pets)