What if casters had element resistance debuffs?

[Joe777]

As it sits right now there are debuffs for slash, pierce, and blunt resistance for melee DPS and Tanks. But what if casters had debuffs for resistance to the elements? Black Mage could do fire resistance debuff for example. Imagine the added utility casters would get from this!

[HyoMinPark]

That would only be effective for BLMs, RDMs, and DPSing WHMs, since other magic is classified as unaspected. It would probably be cumbersome to have to change the effects each time you switched to a different type of magic. BLM would probably be the only one that would benefit from them for an extended period of time, given how RDM rotation swaps between different Ver spells, and SMN is completely unaspected. Same for SCH and AST.

A better alternative to something like this would be just a sweeping "magic resistance down" debuff.

[Joe777]

That would only be effective for BLMs, RDMs, and DPSing WHMs, since other magic is classified as unaspected. It would probably be cumbersome to have to change the effects each time you switched to a different type of magic. BLM would probably be the only one that would benefit from them for an extended period of time, given how RDM rotation swaps between different Ver spells, and SMN is completely unaspected. Same for SCH and AST.

A better alternative to something like this would be just a sweeping "magic resistance down" debuff.

Actually some melee jobs have "magic" elemental attacks too, especially Ninja. Bard has it too in attacks such as wind/stormbite.

[HyoMinPark]

Actually some melee jobs have "magic" elemental attacks too, especially Ninja. Bard has it too in attacks such as wind/stormbite.

And for BRD to benefit (or even NIN to), there would have to be specific debuffs up for each attack. Which, again, would get cumbersome to have to manage. Besides, BRD is already reliant enough on a piercing resistance down rebuff that only DRG can provide. I'd rather not them be reliant on a "wind resistance down" debuff for higher DoT damage. NIN ninjutsu are only used once every 30 seconds unless you Kassatsu or Hide in the middle of a fight (the former has a CD and the latter not recommended at all), so again. BLM would be the only job that would consistently see any difference from specific elemental debuffs because of their Astral Fire rotation.

Again, better alternative would be a sweeping "magic resistance down" debuff, not individual "fire resistance down"/"water resistance down"/"thunder resistance down"/etc..

[Joe777]

And for BRD to benefit (or even NIN to), there would have to be specific debuffs up for each attack. Which, again, would get cumbersome to have to manage. Besides, BRD is already reliant enough on a piercing resistance down rebuff that only DRG can provide. I'd rather not them be reliant on a "wind resistance down" debuff for higher DoT damage. NIN ninjutsu are only used once every 30 seconds unless you Kassatsu or Hide in the middle of a fight (the former has a CD and the latter not recommended at all), so again. BLM would be the only job that would consistently see any difference from specific elemental debuffs because of their Astral Fire rotation.

Again, better alternative would be a sweeping "magic resistance down" debuff, not individual "fire resistance down"/"water resistance down"/"thunder resistance down"/etc..

By that logic though the current debuffs for slash pierce and blunt should just be weapon resistance down instead of individual.

[HyoMinPark]

By that logic though the current debuffs for slash pierce and blunt should just be weapon resistance down instead of individual.

I wasn't arguing about those debuffs, and they don't have anything to do with what I said. Having 6 different elemental debuffs would be entirely way too cumbersome for casters to manage (compare to RDM who, if they wanted specific elemental resistances down, would have to apply each specific debuffs basically every other attack), and they would really only benefit a singular caster for any extended period of time ("fire resistance down" and BLM in Astral Fire). As it stands with the physical debuffs, yes only MNK benefits from blunt, but the entirety of a BRD/MCH/DRG rotation benefits from piercing, and the entirety of NIN/SAM/WAR/DRK/PLD benefit from slashing, not just a couple GCDs before having to switch to another debuff, which is what you would have to do if there were individual elemental debuffs.

If players want a "magical resistance down", it would be much better (and much easier to manage) to do a sweeping "magical resistance down" rather than have to switch debuffs based on your next GCD. Plus, SMN/SCH/AST would benefit from that as well, all of which have unaspected magical damage.

[Joe777]

I wasn't arguing about those debuffs, and they don't have anything to do with what I said. Having 6 different elemental debuffs would be entirely way too cumbersome for casters to manage (compare to RDM who, if they wanted specific elemental resistances down, would have to apply each specific debuffs basically every other attack), and they would really only benefit a singular caster for any extended period of time. As it stands with the physical debuffs, yes only MNK benefits from blunt, but the entirety of a BRD/MCH/DRG rotation benefits from piercing, and the entirety of NIN/SAM/WAR/DRK/PLD benefit from slashing.

If players want a "magical resistance down", it would be much better (and much easier to manage) to do a sweeping "magical resistance down" rather than have to switch debuffs based on your next GCD. Plus, SMN/SCH/AST would benefit from that as well, all of which have unaspected magical damage.

I doubt they'd even need to use all 6. Ice and Water for example have no real merit. Black Mage uses ice to recharge and Hyoton is crap in PvE, no one else uses Ice beyond that. The only Water attack I know of off hand at least is Suiton, which is mainly used to proc Trick Attack. Earth is used mostly by White Mage with Red Mage using it on Verstone procs and Ninja using it for Doton, so Earth can afford to be ignored here. That leaves Fire, Thunder, and Wind as the most reasonable resistance debuff additions.

[HyoMinPark]

I doubt they'd even need to use all 6. Ice and Water for example have no real merit. Black Mage uses ice to recharge and Hyoton is crap in PvE, no one else uses Ice beyond that. The only Water attack I know of off hand at least is Suiton, which is mainly used to proc Trick Attack. Earth is used mostly by White Mage with Red Mage using it on Verstone procs and Ninja using it for Doton, so Earth can afford to be ignored here. That leaves Fire, Thunder, and Wind as the most reasonable resistance debuff additions.

And compared to the physical resistances down, which benefit the entirety of most melee and physical ranged rotations, specific debuffs will only benefit a portion. It would just be easier to do "magical resistance down" if casters were insistent on wanting their own damage debuffs. There's no need to add three more specific debuffs that won't benefit the entirety of a rotation where as a general resistance down debuffs will.

[Joe777]

And compared to the physical resistances down, which benefit the entirety of most melee and physical ranged rotations, specific debuffs will only benefit a portion. It would just be easier to do "magical resistance down" if casters were insistent on wanting their own damage debuffs. There's no need to add three more specific debuffs that won't benefit the entirety of a rotation where as a general resistance down debuffs will.

It is meant to be mutual. After all, melee's resistance debuffs do not benefit casters much at all so at least casters, while benefitting their main elemental attacks, would also partially benefit the melee and other ranged dps jobs as well. Furthermore, the idea is for each caster to have more unique utility rather than slap the same one on to each of them. Besides, even the slash pierce and blunt resist debuffs don't benefit an entire rotation, only the weaponskill parts of it. Also once again I must point out that if they do a magic resistance debuff it would only make sense to change the 3 weapon resistance debuffs into 1 general debuff, and I seriously doubt they'd ever do that.

[popotaro]

I'd like to get some raid utility as BaeLM. Like I dunno.. Making it so Ley Lines give 50% of the buff the BaeLM gets to anyone standing in it or something in those lines.. Give us something Yoshida T.T