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  1. #1
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    Exiled_Tonberry's Avatar
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    White Mage Lv 100

    With the Devotion change and upcoming Hypercharge buff...

    Why exactly is Brotherhood still so weak?
    Unless Devotion's effect is changed, which I doubt it will be, it's going to be 5% to every party member both magic and physical.

    And I know Brotherhood increases our Forbidden Chakra proc chance, but that's RNG. There are time where we'll get absolutely nothing from a Brotherhood window. Especially if we have a caster heavy composition.

    So what's up with this? Brotherhood continues to be one of the most underwhelming raid buffs in the game while every other job gets buffs to their raid utility...
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    Darkkos Da'ert
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    Summoner needed buff to be on par with the other caster. Mnk is 3rd best dps ... If they boost their utility they will need to gimp their dps..

    And summoner is the only job that their job utility will be boosted..
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Because Monk still is one of the strongest DPS in the game I suppose.
    And Devotion will surely have a longer CD.
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    K'ahli K'uhla'tor
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkkos View Post
    Summoner needed buff to be on par with the other caster. Mnk is 3rd best dps ... If they boost their utility they will need to gimp their dps..

    And summoner is the only job that their job utility will be boosted..
    Summoner currently beats both Monk and Black Mage in personal damage, it's 2nd to Samurai.
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    Last edited by SpeckledBurd; 10-04-2017 at 12:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd View Post
    Summoner currently beats both Monk and Black Mage in personal damage, it's 2nd to Samurai.
    On fflogs only 1 smn beats mnk. And he is best dps for os4. Other than this. Sam, Blm then Mnk for 0s1 to os3 and in every other content.

    One summoner... The average of the job is still Sam, Blm then Mnk
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkkos View Post
    On fflogs only 1 smn beats mnk. And he is best dps for os4. Other than this. Sam, Blm then Mnk for 0s1 to os3 and in every other content.

    One summoner... The average of the job is still Sam, Blm then Mnk
    https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/17/

    That is based on all parses uploaded over a two week period. Admittedly, the numbers will be skewed somewhat due to how few Summoners there are currently, but that doesn't change the fact their raw damage is exceptional. They simply don't play well and are extremely punishing in the event of a death. Monk is essentially in a similar boat; damage potential is fine but the job has numerous design flaws in its core gameplay.
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    Sharl Llyntine
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    Because Monk still is one of the strongest DPS in the game I suppose.
    And Devotion will surely have a longer CD.
    That could change. A lot of jobs are getting buffs to their damage while already being vastly superior in raid damage.
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    Anyway. I feel like people didnt get the "More changes to job will be announced in the official release" . Complain when 4.1 will be there. We still dont know 100% whats coming and SE is making their best to put everyjob on par.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkkos View Post
    On fflogs only 1 smn beats mnk. And he is best dps for os4. Other than this. Sam, Blm then Mnk for 0s1 to os3 and in every other content.

    One summoner... The average of the job is still Sam, Blm then Mnk
    People really do underestimate SMM. They're extremely strong right now, being equally as strong or stronger than Monk when played at similar player skill levels.
    That's why I'm scratching my head at Devotion getting such a massive buff.
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    Jaghatai Dotharl
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkkos View Post
    Anyway. I feel like people didnt get the "More changes to job will be announced in the official release" . Complain when 4.1 will be there. We still dont know 100% whats coming and SE is making their best to put everyjob on par.
    I'm sorry but I don't think there will be anything else, or anything more than "tooltip correction for non positionnal attacks"

    The last time they announced changes, for the release of Omegaa, the unannonced changes were really underwhelming for everyone.
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