Tanks Letting DPS Die

[Wintersandman]

If I notice a dps is pulling aggro or if someone runs off to pull more i just follow/aggro what they pull. Theres no reason to be a dick and just let them die, be a team player and pick it up.

It's a dick move to pull for the tank in the first place be a team member and follow the tanks lead.

[Karshan]

It's a dick move to pull for the tank in the first place be a team member and follow the tanks lead.

That however, I agree with. Clearly the DPS/heal is at fault here, the tank knows his limits, they don't, so they are NOT in charge of pulling.
They just should be able to start their rotation right away once the pack / boss is settled.

[Pence]

So, is this something you've encountered? What can be done to discourage this kind of behavior? Or, should it just simply be use DF with people you know? Or, maybe I've just been unlucky.

We can fix it by the DPS actually using their enmity management tools, which hardly any do?

[Venoshock]

.... All of these tanks would mention using Diversion in party chat, so its not like they're a new tank who doesn't know what's going on, but they're favoring their own personal performance over the party's performance just to push their numbers. So, I've looked up the tanks that have behaved this way, and every one of them were posting big numbers and cleared Omega Savage.....

No. It costs you NO dps to use diversion/lucid dreaming, but it costs the tank to use their weakest rotation AND/OR forcing them back int tank stance. So No. YOU are the one favouring your own damn performance over everyone elses. Use diversion FFS. It's an oGCD that indirectly boosts the tanks DPS with no costs to your own. I let the DPS die when they think it's funny to burst me or just flat out never use it then when they rip aggro, they magically have it on their hotbars. It's so satisfying. lmao. Yeah, i'm petty, but idc.

If tanks get shit for not using their CDs, then why can't the dps get shit for not using their utility? too much lazy and clueless people in that role, I swear.

[Azerhan]

No. It costs you NO dps to use diversion/lucid dreaming, but it costs the tank to use their weakest rotation AND/OR forcing them back int tank stance. So No. YOU are the one favouring your own damn performance over everyone elses. Use diversion FFS. It's an oGCD that indirectly boosts the tanks DPS with no costs to your own. I let the DPS die when they think it's funny to burst me or just flat out never use it then when they rip aggro, they magically have it on their hotbars. It's so satisfying. lmao. Yeah, i'm petty, but idc.

If tanks get shit for not using their CDs, then why can't the dps get shit for not using their utility? too much lazy people in that role, I swear.

This, SOOOOO much this.

I play both Dps and Tank, and since I play tank, I always take something to down my enmity when I play dps.
Tanks are not here to spam Flash or something like this all during the dungeon, I sometime have players that make mono-target dps during big pull, and they take the aggro very quickly. I'm already busy to survive with the heal, I don't need someone to make my job more harder.
I guess that's one of the reasons tanks are fewer and fewer in the game.

[Karshan]

No. It costs you NO dps to use diversion/lucid dreaming, but it costs the tank to use their weakest rotation AND/OR forcing them back int tank stance. So No. YOU are the one favouring your own damn performance over everyone elses. Use diversion FFS. It's an oGCD that indirectly boosts the tanks DPS with no costs to your own. I let the DPS die when they think it's funny to burst me or just flat out never use it then when they rip aggro, they magically have it on their hotbars. It's so satisfying. lmao. Yeah, i'm petty, but idc.

If tanks get shit for not using their CDs, then why can't the dps get shit for not using their utility? too much lazy people in that role, I swear.

Sure thing.
But when diversion and lucid have been used properly, and still the caster has two mobs on him because they weren't taken properly in the first place ("oh, two unprovoked, what a surprise that the heal/caster gets them on his spine the first action he does"), open your f*ing eyes, see a mob is out, and get it back.
I mean I play tank as well and I'm sick of those not making sure they have aggro on all before going for the next pack.

[Lastelli]

Sure thing.
I mean I play tank as well and I'm sick of those not making sure they have aggro on all before going for the next pack.

Well, that usually happens when dps start attacking while the tank is still pulling. If you're a smn and you use tri-disaster->bane->painflare while the tank's still pulling mobs you deserve to die. Same if you're a blm and swiftcast foul during a chain pull.
Of course if the tank failed to properly hit some mobs with flash/overpower etc. and is still running to the next pack it's his fault, but I've seen way too many dps that just start throwing everything they have at the mobs without even making sure whether the tank is going to pull another pack or not.

Oh, rdm that start a boss fight with CaC->melee combo without using diversion deserve to die as well.

[Mavrias]

Well, that usually happens when dps start attacking while the tank is still pulling. If you're a smn and you use tri-disaster->bane->painflare while the tank's still pulling mobs you deserve to die.

If some dots and one attack is enough to pull off of you during the process of a chain pull then you're clearly not doing it correctly.

[Gravton]

If some dots and one attack is enough to pull off of you during the process of a chain pull then you're clearly not doing it correctly.

It's not an in depth process. Run up to mobs, aoe threat skill, run to next pack. There is literally nothing else to it. If you are pulling threat mid pull, you are messing up the processe, not the tank.

[Venoshock]

Sure thing.
But when diversion and lucid have been used properly, and still the caster has two mobs on him because they weren't taken properly in the first place ("oh, two unprovoked, what a surprise that the heal/caster gets them on his spine the first action he does"), open your f*ing eyes, see a mob is out, and get it back.
I mean I play tank as well and I'm sick of those not making sure they have aggro on all before going for the next pack.

Nice strawman. If I'm doing a big pull and I miss a mob, obviously I'll run back and get it, how is that the DPS's fault? oh, but i'll tell you what IS the DPS's fault, if I'm doing a big pull or still in the process of pulling mobs and they go crazy on one enemy and rip aggro or when I'm still pulling and you get that (are, but it's hapened to me) BLM/SMN that uses their AOE burst whilst I'm still pulling causing a bunch of mobs to aggo on them, making me have to interupt he run, and run back, picking them up.