Tanks Letting DPS Die

[K3KW4RCHILD]

I’ve played mmo games for more than a decade and two things never change, EVER:

1. DPS are always the biggest d-bags in the game and incessantly blame healers and tanks for literally everything they don’t like.
2. The players most concerned with and the most infatuated with parsers are elitists who are more interested in shifting blame onto others than doing what is best for the team. Oh, whenever a “leech” is removed, they tell all the dupes that it was what is best for the team (only dupes believe it).

Tanks let dps die all the time... pity is so few dps ever learn why it happens to them.

[Tzain]

I’ve played mmo games for more than a decade and two things never change, EVER:

1. DPS are always the biggest d-bags in the game and incessantly blame healers and tanks for literally everything they don’t like.
2. The players most concerned with and the most infatuated with parsers are elitists who are more interested in shifting blame onto others than doing what is best for the team. Oh, whenever a “leech” is removed, they tell all the dupes that it was what is best for the team (only dupes believe it).

Tanks let dps die all the time... pity is so few dps ever learn why it happens to them.

I've been tanking in MMOs since 1999.
I think what your referring to is a bit more complicated.
DPS is, by its very nature, a 'Internal play' class compared to healers/tanks/controllers who have to act in the best interests of the group or respond to events (External Play).
A selfish/immature player would be attracted to that playstyle more so than other playstyles.
And the behavior you describe would certainly be in character for a selfish/immature player.
Oddly though, that same personality type would never excel in the DPS role past a certain point. They just wouldn't be able to work within the group to make everyone perform better, and a more mature player would eventually pass them as that player would be more inclined to 'refine' their performance by accepting their mistakes.

Side note: Players with oversized egos (self included) often go with the tank classes in the same way. The class feeds into their need for attention, but that same selfish streak will prevent them from truly excelling.

What I'm saying is, a personality gravitates toward a style. Not the other way around.

[Tsilyi]

blanket statements are definitely cool and always 100% true.

[dinnertime]

For the past week I've been pulling hate from tanks even if I used Diversion or Lucid Dreaming to cut my emnity. It's really frustrating especially when both of them have long cooldowns. People keep on saying to use them (which I do) but it's not as accessible as people believe.

Managing enmity is a group effort, but tanks should be more responsible about it because their aggro management is much more accessible than other roles.

[Tsilyi]

I personally wouldn't bother kicking, but I would try even harder to make up for it. :\

[Hruodig]

I personally wouldn't bother kicking, but I would try even harder to make up for it. :\

Generally for me it just depends on how far through the instance we already are. If I notice on the first pull that a dps isn't using aoe, I'll ask them to. If they don't on the pull after that, I'll ask again. If they continue to waste everyone else's time, then I'll kick them. Cause here's the thing: as a dps, your job is to make things die fast. Do big damage good. Not using aoe abilities on large trash pulls is definitely not killing things fast-so in the same way that you'd kick a tank for failing to hold aggro, or kick a healer for failing to keep the tank alive consistently, why would you not kick a dps for failing to do their job? It's all about accountability, and I find too often that too many dpses feel content to be carried through content.

Anyway, I've gotten this thread off track, and I apologize for that.

[Okamimaru]

SE needs to either add the reason "playstyle difference" or need to take a stand and say it's not a valid kick excuse

[Flaris]

I actually just posted a thread similar to this. It happens all the time to me, im BiS Sam and Diversion simply enough at this point, and im using it on CD. With how quickly enmity rises despite Diversion, I bet most tanks assume i'm not using it at all.

[Tsilyi]

They really should just attach the same drop to invigorate that they do to lucid dreaming, a very easy fix and applies itself to every melee in one fell swoop

[Cynfael]

We'd have fewer issues if more tanks recognized the need to use additional enmity combos when the DPS are strong. When I see a tank raging or being petty and wasting everyone's time by deliberately allowing DPS to take aggro, it's usually not that the DPS are doing anything wrong, but that the tank is making simple mistakes like underestimating how much enmity they need to build to keep the mobs under control.

When someone is being rude and disrupting the flow by deliberately pulling ahead, that's a different matter. If I were the tank, I'd either pull more to accommodate the group or I'd leave; I wouldn't drag it out by throwing a tantrum.